Are you from the United States?

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WITHOUT PREJUDICE
From recollection: Over ten years ago, this guy I know went to sit in (from the 'specator seats') on a session of the U.S.A. House of Representatives. He had a camera in his pocket or hand [earlier he had tried to take a photo of the Constitution with no avail] and didnt want to store it away because he didnt want it to get lost. A cop stopped him after he noticed the camera he was hiding. The cop told him that he needed to check his camera and that taking photos is not allowed and that the guy needed to leave the camera or something like that. The guy asked "Why is that?"

The cop's expression got more confrontational as he was looking for an argument or some kind of resistance or...something. Then the cop's mind finally seemed to strike some kind of spark. At that point he asked: "Where are you from?" Recalling what he had learned, the guy--almost said "I'm from the united States..." very carefully replied: "I'm from Maryland." The cop dropped his head a little and seemed to sigh. The cop waived him on. But said: "No photos in the gallery." (or w/e he called it).

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Another incident (a couple years before the above): the same guy. After a big incident the guy went to the SSA to ask them how to 'get rid' of the social security number thing. He explained to the clerk that he wanted to get rid of it or cancel it. The clerk insisted that there was no way to get rid of it. He explained that he never wanted it. That he didnt use it. That he doesnt want it and that he never signed for it. The clerk went away and got anothe employee. The clerk asked "Where you born in the United States?" The guy replies: "I was born not to far from here." The clerk asks: "Were you born in the United States." The guy replies gesturing: "I just told you that I was born about ten miles away from here." The clerk asks again: "No I mean were you born in the United States?" The guy goes look: "I just want to know how to get rid of this or get a new number." She goes: "We dont give new numbers." See they are trained to say that, what they do is give 'different numbers". The other worker and together thay started saying that he had to put information down so they could look up "his record". After he put the information down they took it, disappeared. They made him wait for a while. Then after that, they came back out and said that he would simply have to wait. A few weeks later, he gets a social security card in the mail." They lied to him point blank.

In that incident the Social Security Administration staff BLATANTLY LIED and forged the application.

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Same guy, eight years later, goes into a SSA office. He asks if there is form for withdrawing from SS. The worker was nice. But he repeatedly asked if there was such a form. The clerk eventually goes and gets the manager who insists that no such form exists. The manager (a femme) adamantly replies NO THERE IS NO SUCH THING! Now the guy all along had Form 521 on him. He tells the clerk, that he'll be right back cos he has a question about a form. He wanted the manager to leave and the manager was gone by the time he came back. So he sat back down to talk with the clerk. He shows the clerk the Form 521. He says well this form is apparently for withdrawing a social security benefit or something like that. He says it has not instructions and he wants to know if she can get instructions. The manager comes back by and notices he is sitting there again. The clerk turns to her and takes the form over to the manager and asks the manager if there are instructions for the form. Now the manager looked like a bridge troll busted--like Mr. Mytzlplyx --like Rumplestilskin whent their names are figured out. Out loud and shocked and almost angry [I guess she thought the clerk gave it to him]: "HOW DID HE GET THAT!?!?" She scurries off and hides before any further questions can be asked.

In that incident the manager appears to have blatantly lied and when caught in the lie she runs off.

What does that tell you?

[SaveUncleSam]

Seems like that guy was onto something! I wonder what border patrol will say when I do not answer "US or United States" when asked about my "citizenship" but rather, say "I am (we are), from StateName or Texans" or something like that.
Coming back from a visit to Canada, they always search my trunk unless I do not have anything in the trunk. They never search the passenger area, just the trunk. Now, for the past 5 or so years they have had big structures that one must move the car through before speaking to the agent. I wondered how they "knew" that my trunk was empty and not to tell me to open it. I became aware recently that the border crossings XRAY THE CAR ON THE WAY THROUGH! Doctors limit the amount of Xrays they take of people but the borders irradiate people without consent or notice. Can I refuse the open my trunk because they never have probable cause? In the past, they would just move our luggage around a bit but not open our bags to see what was inside. Once the man peeled back the trunk lining on both sides and I noticed they were out of place. I think this is just the beginning of acclimating people for the takeover.

I will never ever proclaim myself as a 'US citizen'.


SUS

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Without Prejudice

Originally Posted by SaveUncleSam

Seems like that guy was onto something!

Ya I agree.

I wonder what border patrol will say when I do not answer "US or United States" when asked about my "citizenship" but rather, say "I am (we are), from StateName or Texans" or something like that.

Rather than be geared toward talking, it might be best to put it in writing and be consistent with what is written. Reminds me, on intl. flights they have those forms about visiting the "United States". I fancy if one isn't going to the United States one might do well to make that clear.: "I'm not going to the United States. I'm going to Texas land". I suppose its one thing to pass through and another thing to visit.

Coming back from a visit to Canada, they always search my trunk unless I do not have anything in the trunk. They never search the passenger area, just the trunk. Now, for the past 5 or so years they have had big structures that one must move the car through before speaking to the agent. I wondered how they "knew" that my trunk was empty and not to tell me to open it. I became aware recently that the border crossings XRAY THE CAR ON THE WAY THROUGH!

Doctors limit the amount of Xrays they take of people but the borders irradiate people without consent or notice.

Maybe that's why they are making cars out of plastic these days. Also, houses or cars painted with lead paint probably dont x-ray all that well. Its really ridiculous. An associate's dad travels between USA and Canada on a regular basis and he says that the security has beefed up. He says he intends to stop travelling to the USA indefinitely. His son intends to leave and not come back. Since the early 90s, millions of folks have left the USA behind because of the Orwellian future they perceived.

Can I refuse the open my trunk because they never have probable cause?

In addition to papers you have with you, you might be better off notifying the U.S. folks of your rights and/or status as a Texian or whatever by mail rather than (only) at the border. And I speak of such a manner as to cause them to put notice in their puters.

In the past, they would just move our luggage around a bit but not open our bags to see what was inside. Once the man peeled back the trunk lining on both sides and I noticed they were out of place. I think this is just the beginning of acclimating people for the takeover.

Or maybe the commissions they get for busting drug-related "crimes" are so high they are better motivated even to do things that might even make them break a sweat.

I will never ever proclaim myself as a 'US citizen'.

Probably a good idea.

[palani]

About 5 years ago coming from Canada (Windsor) to Detroit I had to pass through US customs. The officer asked: "Country?" to which I replied "Iowa". He gives me a sharp look and said "I thought Iowa was a state." My response was "I believe you are mistaken" upon which I got waved on through.