Birth Certificate for Children

[juststartingout]

As my name says, I am just starting out learning the process of redemption.& However, I don't want my children to have to go through the process.& That being said, I am pregnant with our 4th child.& Is it still considered a legal form of documentation to just use the family bible entry to prove birth?& Everything I read in my State's laws says that you have to have/apply for (whatever the techincal term is there)&a birth certificate.& We never did for our third child and are wondering with that one too - what do we do??? Our first two, unfortunatley, are in the system.


Also, if they do not have certificates, but we are not redeemed yet, are they still considered wards of the state?


Oh, so many questions!!!!

[juststartingout]

As my name says, I am just starting out learning the process of redemption.& However, I don't want my children to have to go through the process.& That being said, I am pregnant with our 4th child.& Is it still considered a legal form of documentation to just use the family bible entry to prove birth?& Everything I read in my State's laws says that you have to have/apply for (whatever the techincal term is there)&a birth certificate.& We never did for our third child and are wondering with that one too - what do we do??? Our first two, unfortunatley, are in the system.


Also, if they do not have certificates, but we are not redeemed yet, are they still considered wards of the state?


Oh, so many questions!!!!

[Ice]

Stick with using the Family Bible.& You do not need a BC unless you fall under the jurisdiction of the "UNITED STATES".& Being born outside of Fed. territory and a natural born State Citizen... you are not under the jurisdiction of the "UNITED STATES".


Check out "Citizenship" issues.

[Ice]

Stick with using the Family Bible.& You do not need a BC unless you fall under the jurisdiction of the "UNITED STATES".& Being born outside of Fed. territory and a natural born State Citizen... you are not under the jurisdiction of the "UNITED STATES".


Check out "Citizenship" issues.

[juststartingout]

I want to make sure I am fully understanding you correctly.& So someone that would fall under UNITED STATES would be an immigrant, for example?& And even though I have not gone through the redemption process, I am not under the jurisdition of the UNITED STATES?& I thought I was.& So my daughter and future child will be fine with the Bible?& Do I need a separate bible for each child so they can have their own proof when they get older?& I hear of people carrying around their family bible as their identification.& It intrigues me, as I have never seen it done before or know how the 'authorities' react to it.


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EDIT - And the laws don't differ state to state?

[juststartingout]

I want to make sure I am fully understanding you correctly.& So someone that would fall under UNITED STATES would be an immigrant, for example?& And even though I have not gone through the redemption process, I am not under the jurisdition of the UNITED STATES?& I thought I was.& So my daughter and future child will be fine with the Bible?& Do I need a separate bible for each child so they can have their own proof when they get older?& I hear of people carrying around their family bible as their identification.& It intrigues me, as I have never seen it done before or know how the 'authorities' react to it.


&


EDIT - And the laws don't differ state to state?

[Jerseee]

Juststartingout,


First things first.& If you are not sure of who you are and the power that you possess as a sovereign, I suggest that you study more before doing anything that you are uncertain of.&


Now if it were me and I had to do it all over again, I would first have my child acknowledged as an American National first.& Get that established first and foremost.& Then later I would consider getting my child a commercial person.& Since my child would not be of majority I would ask the question, can my child make this decision on their 18th birthday whether or not he wants a birth certificate?& At this age he/she is able to assent to any contract they want to get into.& The most powerful part of this--is that you can teach the child for 18 years the difference between an American National and a US citizen and expose the power of presumption.


So as you see, my method would require that you have extensive knowledge of who you are and what the system has to offer and that your knowledge will be successfully passed to the next generation.& Which in turn they will do for your grandchildren and so forth.& Believe me, the next child I have, this is the route I'm going.& No birth certificate for me.& I want to instill in my child that they are not US citizens but American Nationals.&


Hope this helps you in some way and please do not confuse the writing with tone.& this is to only inform you not offend you.

[Jerseee]

Juststartingout,


First things first.& If you are not sure of who you are and the power that you possess as a sovereign, I suggest that you study more before doing anything that you are uncertain of.&


Now if it were me and I had to do it all over again, I would first have my child acknowledged as an American National first.& Get that established first and foremost.& Then later I would consider getting my child a commercial person.& Since my child would not be of majority I would ask the question, can my child make this decision on their 18th birthday whether or not he wants a birth certificate?& At this age he/she is able to assent to any contract they want to get into.& The most powerful part of this--is that you can teach the child for 18 years the difference between an American National and a US citizen and expose the power of presumption.


So as you see, my method would require that you have extensive knowledge of who you are and what the system has to offer and that your knowledge will be successfully passed to the next generation.& Which in turn they will do for your grandchildren and so forth.& Believe me, the next child I have, this is the route I'm going.& No birth certificate for me.& I want to instill in my child that they are not US citizens but American Nationals.&


Hope this helps you in some way and please do not confuse the writing with tone.& this is to only inform you not offend you.

[suijuris]

<FONT face="courier new, courier, mono">Good recommendation Jersee!</FONT>

[suijuris]

<FONT face="courier new, courier, mono">Good recommendation Jersee!</FONT>