Change your U.S. Citizenship status - Page 2

Jerseee · #11 10-03-2003, 08:04 PM

Ice & Sui Juris,

Is it possible that you guys can post the step by step procedures for claiming the proper citizen status?

Because I was going to publish a legal announcement in the paper stating who I am and who the STRAWperson is and explain the difference and declare my American National status and ending the presumption in public.& Furthermore, I was going to title it "Notice of American National Status".

The reason I am saying this is because, I do not feel that we should have to go through the Secretary of State to get such a certificate.& especially, since they can give you hard time in getting one.& Once again, we are going to a fictious entity to be recognized.& I believe we can acomnplish this feat through common law since it is common law that we live by.& I think a certificate of publication along with a copy of the "Notice of American National Status" filed with the court to put them on notice as well should be enough.

Pardon me for enforcing my sovereign powers over the beast but I do think this is the route to go.& Your thoughts on this matter before I proceed.

Jerseee · #12 10-03-2003, 08:04 PM

Ice & Sui Juris,

Is it possible that you guys can post the step by step procedures for claiming the proper citizen status?

Because I was going to publish a legal announcement in the paper stating who I am and who the STRAWperson is and explain the difference and declare my American National status and ending the presumption in public.& Furthermore, I was going to title it "Notice of American National Status".

The reason I am saying this is because, I do not feel that we should have to go through the Secretary of State to get such a certificate.& especially, since they can give you hard time in getting one.& Once again, we are going to a fictious entity to be recognized.& I believe we can acomnplish this feat through common law since it is common law that we live by.& I think a certificate of publication along with a copy of the "Notice of American National Status" filed with the court to put them on notice as well should be enough.

Pardon me for enforcing my sovereign powers over the beast but I do think this is the route to go.& Your thoughts on this matter before I proceed.

Jerseee · #13 10-03-2003, 08:12 PM

Ice & Sui Juris,

And another thing, I am going to use the birth certificate as evidence/state testimony/witness&to provide along with my Notice of American National Status.

Then file the affidavit/certificate of publication, the birth certificate (original stamped copy) and the Notice with the county (and possibly with the Secretary of the State which I reside in).

Thoughts.......

Jerseee · #14 10-03-2003, 08:12 PM

Ice & Sui Juris,

And another thing, I am going to use the birth certificate as evidence/state testimony/witness&to provide along with my Notice of American National Status.

Then file the affidavit/certificate of publication, the birth certificate (original stamped copy) and the Notice with the county (and possibly with the Secretary of the State which I reside in).

Thoughts.......

Ice · #15 10-03-2003, 08:27 PM

Jersee,

Don't waste your money on a newspaper publication.& You will not be contacting a "fictitious" entity. You will be contacting a "Federation"... a "country" foreign to America and informing it that you are expatriating from it.

At present I am swamped with work.& I have discussed putting a "step-by-step" process on the site with Sui Juris.& We think this is an excellent idea and have been working on it... but there are other pressing matters that demand attention at this time.

Now it seems to me that anyone that has any ideas in regards to this process should chime in... maybe we can work it out by team effort.& This would surely be a blessing for me as I am swamped.

I will start the ball rolling with this:& I believe the very first steps to be taken are the Abandonment/Amendment letter to the AG and the SoS; and the Notice of Expatriation to the Commissioner of SS.& Follow those with letter to the Sec. of Treas. (Puerto Rico) and then do your W-8 and notice to employer.& Until such time as these steps are complete, anything you sign must include a statement in regards to your citizenship status.

That's my take on it... any ideas/suggestions?

&

Ice · #16 10-03-2003, 08:27 PM

Jersee,

Don't waste your money on a newspaper publication.& You will not be contacting a "fictitious" entity. You will be contacting a "Federation"... a "country" foreign to America and informing it that you are expatriating from it.

At present I am swamped with work.& I have discussed putting a "step-by-step" process on the site with Sui Juris.& We think this is an excellent idea and have been working on it... but there are other pressing matters that demand attention at this time.

Now it seems to me that anyone that has any ideas in regards to this process should chime in... maybe we can work it out by team effort.& This would surely be a blessing for me as I am swamped.

I will start the ball rolling with this:& I believe the very first steps to be taken are the Abandonment/Amendment letter to the AG and the SoS; and the Notice of Expatriation to the Commissioner of SS.& Follow those with letter to the Sec. of Treas. (Puerto Rico) and then do your W-8 and notice to employer.& Until such time as these steps are complete, anything you sign must include a statement in regards to your citizenship status.

That's my take on it... any ideas/suggestions?

&

suijuris · #17 10-03-2003, 08:35 PM

I do agree with Ice. And yes, hopefully there can be a team effort to put together a more coherent guide than what is currently available on the family guardian site. There is much fine research there, but some organization & guidance would make the process much easier.

As with Ice, I am also very busy with other obligations, but as soon as I have finished studying and taken most of the steps needed, sui juris will have a step-by-step guide on these matters. Hopefully at that point Ice and maybe some of others will have begun/completed the process and able to contribute. I want to make sure that we are in agreement on the proper steps before pointing others in a specific direction.

For now, I would refer to the "Checklist" and&the notes for each step on the family guardian site. This is what I am currently basing my actions on. This would make a good point of reference for anyone who has questions on this process. Just state what step you are working on and when you post your question on sui juris, so we have a common reference point.

Sui Juris

suijuris · #18 10-03-2003, 08:35 PM

I do agree with Ice. And yes, hopefully there can be a team effort to put together a more coherent guide than what is currently available on the family guardian site. There is much fine research there, but some organization & guidance would make the process much easier.

As with Ice, I am also very busy with other obligations, but as soon as I have finished studying and taken most of the steps needed, sui juris will have a step-by-step guide on these matters. Hopefully at that point Ice and maybe some of others will have begun/completed the process and able to contribute. I want to make sure that we are in agreement on the proper steps before pointing others in a specific direction.

For now, I would refer to the "Checklist" and&the notes for each step on the family guardian site. This is what I am currently basing my actions on. This would make a good point of reference for anyone who has questions on this process. Just state what step you are working on and when you post your question on sui juris, so we have a common reference point.

Sui Juris

goldphoenix · #19 02-23-2004, 11:29 AM

I have a question. Why would one expatriate from a country that they were never really a part of?

The times I have checkmarked U.S. citizen, etc., I was lacking knowledge of the facts. The facts being that there is the U.S. and there is America (union of 50 geographical states).

I was delivered into my mother's arms in a state of the union of 50 states and not in DC or a Federal territory. However, I have checkmarked U.S. citizen in the past on various paperwork due to ignorance of the facts.

I guess my question is also: Where does this leave me standing on citizenship?

Ice mentioned in another thread that citizenship is whatever one wants it to be. So if I want my citizenship to be in YHWH's kingdom, how do I assert that? And I don't imagine that the governmental entities of this world would agree with that stand.

For example, if I were to attempt to get a passport, I'm unsure of how I would go about that seeing as I have no record of birth. If I don't want to have a government created id card, what other options are there? Employment is next to impossible without some proof of citizenship, isn't it? At least with a corporation?

So many questions!

I would love to hear some opinions/comments on this.

Thank you!

goldphoenix

dochand · #20 04-15-2004, 12:08 AM

Have we come up with the step-by-step process in asserting our American National status yet?

Or are we still to use the family guardian checklist?

Any assistance would be appreciated!

Doc