Change your U.S. Citizenship status

#1 10-02-2003, 09:34 AM

I am going through the process here to change and properly document my citizenship status.

However, step 3 on the checklist (Table 8-1) is causing me some confusion. It says to send a revised SS-5, but I cannot find any details on the proper method for doing so. Any thoughts?

I had a bit of confusion on step # 1. as well, since the example form in the notes for this step had no address. So I just sent it to the same IRS address as the example letter&shown in step 2.

Any thoughts? Is anyone else having trouble following the checklist? If so, maybe Sui Juris can put together a more easily followed checklist..

And of course I mean no disrespect for the work Chris has done, it is awesome!

#2 10-02-2003, 09:34 AM

I am going through the process here to change and properly document my citizenship status.

However, step 3 on the checklist (Table 8-1) is causing me some confusion. It says to send a revised SS-5, but I cannot find any details on the proper method for doing so. Any thoughts?

I had a bit of confusion on step # 1. as well, since the example form in the notes for this step had no address. So I just sent it to the same IRS address as the example letter&shown in step 2.

Any thoughts? Is anyone else having trouble following the checklist? If so, maybe Sui Juris can put together a more easily followed checklist..

And of course I mean no disrespect for the work Chris has done, it is awesome!

#3 10-02-2003, 07:20 PM

Greetings.

Just wondering about the changing of citizenship issue. It is my thought that the "citizenship" belongs (U.S. or otherwise)&to the strawman. All the corporation structure is one of insolvency...JUST A THOUGHT. Perhaps someone would add some further information.

#4 10-02-2003, 07:20 PM

Greetings.

Just wondering about the changing of citizenship issue. It is my thought that the "citizenship" belongs (U.S. or otherwise)&to the strawman. All the corporation structure is one of insolvency...JUST A THOUGHT. Perhaps someone would add some further information.

Jerseee · #5 10-02-2003, 08:10 PM

Seeklight,

There are 2 categories of citizenship that concern us.

1. is the U.S. citizen (14th amendment slave, which we do not desire to be presumed as)

2. is the American National or American Citizen (the sovereign, the flesh and blood sentient&that the constitution speaks of)

Hope that helps.

Jerseee · #6 10-02-2003, 08:10 PM

Seeklight,

There are 2 categories of citizenship that concern us.

1. is the U.S. citizen (14th amendment slave, which we do not desire to be presumed as)

2. is the American National or American Citizen (the sovereign, the flesh and blood sentient&that the constitution speaks of)

Hope that helps.

Ice · #7 10-02-2003, 10:09 PM

members,

My statements in another thread in regards to the jurisdictional issues that arise when citizenship is declared as "American National" should bring about the realization that the STRAWMAN is NOT an issue.

It is my belief that as we continue on this journey through the maze of Law within the Matrix, you will find that my above statement becomes more truthful.& Let go of the STRAWMAN arguments and stand on YOUR OWN TWO FEET instead of hiding behind a "shadow".

Walk this road of discovery&with us and in time you may find a better foundation to stand on, better&tools with which to defend yourself and the ability to build an impenetrable fortress that no man or government may trod upon your freedoms.

Hang tight, friends.& It's going to get interesting around here.

.

Ice · #8 10-02-2003, 10:09 PM

members,

My statements in another thread in regards to the jurisdictional issues that arise when citizenship is declared as "American National" should bring about the realization that the STRAWMAN is NOT an issue.

It is my belief that as we continue on this journey through the maze of Law within the Matrix, you will find that my above statement becomes more truthful.& Let go of the STRAWMAN arguments and stand on YOUR OWN TWO FEET instead of hiding behind a "shadow".

Walk this road of discovery&with us and in time you may find a better foundation to stand on, better&tools with which to defend yourself and the ability to build an impenetrable fortress that no man or government may trod upon your freedoms.

Hang tight, friends.& It's going to get interesting around here.

.

suijuris · #9 10-02-2003, 10:24 PM

I am coming to realize: 

1. Citizenship cannot be made mandatory, it must be by choice.
2. My chosen citizenship is in heaven, nowhere else. (Phil. 3:20)
3. My rights are given to me at birth by my Creator, and upheld by the constitution.
4. My nationality is American.

I agree with Ice, it seems that many of the tactics being taught re the strawman are useful in some senses, but one cannot defend himself on all fronts with solely this technique.
In regards to U.S./Federal Taxation & other jurisdictional issues, I believe that learning one's citizenship status is the best available remedy at this time. As Ice says, stay tuned.
Much more on this subject is to follow.
Sui Juris

suijuris · #10 10-02-2003, 10:24 PM

I am coming to realize: 

1. Citizenship cannot be made mandatory, it must be by choice.
2. My chosen citizenship is in heaven, nowhere else. (Phil. 3:20)
3. My rights are given to me at birth by my Creator, and upheld by the constitution.
4. My nationality is American.

I agree with Ice, it seems that many of the tactics being taught re the strawman are useful in some senses, but one cannot defend himself on all fronts with solely this technique.
In regards to U.S./Federal Taxation & other jurisdictional issues, I believe that learning one's citizenship status is the best available remedy at this time. As Ice says, stay tuned.
Much more on this subject is to follow.
Sui Juris