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Old 03-29-2006, 10:51 PM
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Likewise, I am not one of those in which you have requested a
response from,, but oh well.. I will take a shot at it anyway.
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... They (the mortgage company/title company) and you are at best in adverse
possession of the land.

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Jerry.

I understand the statement after the ellipses but I wonder who is the TrueOwner.

pls reveal them.
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Old 03-29-2006, 11:05 PM
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I understand the statement after the ellipses but I wonder who is the TrueOwner.

pls reveal them.

The TRUE OWNER is the man or woman listed on the original patent, unless the patent has been changed through process to reflect a new TRUE OWNER. In the case of a new TRUE OWNER, the original patent will be identified as having been modified and will show the type and degree of modification that was made. As an example... if a 160 acre patent was modified by the sale of a 10 acre plot, the new patent would show the name of the purchaser of the 10 acre plot, while the original patent would still be in the name of the original patentee, but would show that it now consisted of only 150 acres. These records are maintained by the BLM, and the various Congressional Acts mandate the process which must be adherred to in order to modify a Federal Land Patent.

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Old 03-30-2006, 12:18 AM
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The TRUE OWNER is the man or woman listed on the original
patent, unless the patent has been changed through process to reflect a new
TRUE OWNER.
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Old 03-30-2006, 05:20 AM
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To the best of my knowledge land patents are issued one time by the U.S. government. They may re-write it and re-issue it if it can be shown a mistake was made on the orginal document. The government transfers ALL interest to the original private owner and he may will it or ASSIGN it at his or her discretion (see phrase 'heirs or assigns' on patent). The BLM has no duty to keep records of every land transaction.
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Old 03-30-2006, 11:47 AM
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To the best of my knowledge land patents are issued one time by the U.S. government. They may re-write it and re-issue it if it can be shown a mistake was made on the orginal document. The government transfers ALL interest to the original private owner and he may will it or ASSIGN it at his or her discretion (see phrase 'heirs or assigns' on patent). The BLM has no duty to keep records of every land transaction.


As indicated earlier, it depends on the nature of the congressional Act; the language thereof, as that is the law regarding the land patent... not the federal statute, unless the language of the Congressional act so establishes that the patent would from that point forward be handled according to statute. In the case of it being governed by statute, it would be the statutes at the time of issuance.

The homestead act, as an example establishes criteria wherein the land can be sold, when and how. It also establishes that the purchaser has the entitlement to receive a patent. The state cannot issue a patent that would supercede that of the federal government, therefore, that purchaser would of necessity be requirred to go through the feds in order to receive his/her new patent. Excerpt in pertinent part "and the purchaser shall acquire the absolute title by the purchase, and be entitled to a patent from the United States, on payment of the office fees and sum of money herein specified."

As stipulated above, other details regulating the sale of the land are included in the text of the pertinent Law.

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so under current laws, basically we have been robbed of all our rights to own allodial=not pay taxes unless you can find property before the new laws set in?
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Old 03-31-2006, 12:22 AM
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Jerry
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No, the reason I asked for input from the more rational members (at least in
their own minds) is to see how they would be able to rationalize the US Code
section cited. The silence is certainly loud from that quadrant of the
bulletin board.


Palani named JRB, Shoonra, and IdoKnow.

now i get it: he named the lawyers!
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