Us/usa

[ray5450]

I understand that "United States" is a corporate entity.

However, what is "United States of America"? From what I can conclude, it only means geographically...but then how is it a party to lawsuits (unless it shouldn't be?)?

Thanks.

[weishaupt1776]

The US/Usa deal is a big dead-ender and goes nowhere towards finding remedy. You can be rest assured that time could be better spent

USAvsUS

This is a great site. You should read it 10 times.

Henry Franklin

[weishaupt1776]

I agree that it is good for a primer for education purposes, but as far as trying to translate that into a remedial action would most certainly be time consuming

[mrg]

Originally Posted by HenryBowman

USAvsUS

This is a great site. You should read it 10 times.

Henry Franklin

It has been updated since I last read it.

It may not be remedy, but one needs info in order to realize that remedy is needed.

Thanks for the reminder.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

I agree that it is good for a primer for education purposes, but as far as trying to translate that into a remedial action would most certainly be time consuming

I think I can explain graphically in a case I found from the Tenth Circuit. Actually two cases. It is clear that there are two entities; the United States and the United States of America. But application of that is impossible. One recent pioneer was Dan Meador who spoke of the distinction between the district courts of the United States being a de jure nature of court while the District Courts of the United States were the de facto, non-Article III courts. The model has its merits but when you look at both these cases upon the presumption the justices are telling the truth correctly in both, then you may understand better what Weishaupt is saying.

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[ray5450]

I'm am not looking for a remedy type issue--just wanted to know what it was.


http://www.gemworld.com/usavsus.htm really does not answer my question, except maybe to confirm that United States of America is only a descriptive name of a the group of states. If UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is different than United States of America, and the same as UNITED STATES as the site says, then that answers the litigant question, anyway. Wish there were some authorities.

Thanks.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by ray5450

I'm am not looking for a remedy type issue--just wanted to know what it was.


http://www.gemworld.com/usavsus.htm really does not answer my question, except maybe to confirm that United States of America is only a descriptive name of a the group of states. If UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is different than United States of America, and the same as UNITED STATES as the site says, then that answers the litigant question, anyway. Wish there were some authorities.

Thanks.

I think the answer may be in a subjective grey area; distinguishing a body politic from a body corporate. That is tough.

[James]

What is "United States of America"?
How is it a party to lawsuits?


TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 47 > § 1001


NOTES:

Words “or any corporation in which the United States of America is a stockholder” in said section 80 were omitted as unnecessary in view of definition of “agency” in section 6 of this title.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc


TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 1 > § 6

§ 6. Department and agency defined

The term “agency” includes any department, independent establishment, commission, administration, authority, board or bureau of the United States or any corporation in which the United States has a proprietary interest, unless the context shows that such term was intended to be used in a more limited sense.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...6----000-.html

[ray5450]

Originally Posted by James

Words “or any corporation in which the United States of America is a stockholder” in said section 80 were omitted as unnecessary in view of definition of “agency” in section 6 of this title.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc

Uh-oh--this totally confuses me. Who is this "United States of America" and how is it different than corporate "United States??

(Link didn't work, by the way.)