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Old 09-20-2006, 12:15 AM
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Politcal Jurisdiction

This subject came up on the Lawfullremedies yahoo group.
Anyone know more about it?
I attached a 26 page pdf that was posted by another member.

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:38:24 -0000
Subject: [lawfulremedies] Re: traffic ticket test

"Eric's stuff works.

I went to court last week, and I raised the issue of Political
Jurisdiction in a judicial foreclosure case. The judge told me to
leave her courtroom. I stayed and asked if political jurisdiction
existed here today. She showed me the notice of hearing, and stated
that this hearing was "OFF THE RECORD." I advised that I never agreed
to anything in that notice and she responded, "IT DOESN'T MATTER!
YOU'RE NOT A PARTY TO THE CASE!" At which point I turned around and
walked out of the courtroom.

This was the short version of what happened, but she gave me many
invitations to acknowledge that the court had political jurisdiction
over me. She told me I was Pro Se, and I advised I was not. She said
that if I wanted to I could request a hearing to raise my issue of
political jurisdiction, but that I should do so in writing. I stood
my ground although she was very quick to cut me off and very curt.

I guess we'll see what happens now?!"
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Old 09-24-2006, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ezrhythm
This subject came up on the Lawfullremedies yahoo group.
Anyone know more about it?
I attached a 26 page pdf that was posted by another member.

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:38:24 -0000
Subject: [lawfulremedies] Re: traffic ticket test

"Eric's stuff works.

I went to court last week, and I raised the issue of Political
Jurisdiction in a judicial foreclosure case. The judge told me to
leave her courtroom. I stayed and asked if political jurisdiction
existed here today. She showed me the notice of hearing, and stated
that this hearing was "OFF THE RECORD." I advised that I never agreed
to anything in that notice and she responded, "IT DOESN'T MATTER!
YOU'RE NOT A PARTY TO THE CASE!" At which point I turned around and
walked out of the courtroom.

This was the short version of what happened, but she gave me many
invitations to acknowledge that the court had political jurisdiction
over me. She told me I was Pro Se, and I advised I was not. She said
that if I wanted to I could request a hearing to raise my issue of
political jurisdiction, but that I should do so in writing. I stood
my ground although she was very quick to cut me off and very curt.

I guess we'll see what happens now?!"



Could you go into better detail on what happened and how you did it?
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Old 09-24-2006, 07:34 PM
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I'm sorry but it wasn't me. I reposted that from another site.
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Old 09-25-2006, 07:06 AM
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Sounds all well and good until we see a court transcript by a court reporter

Otherwise this is unsubstantiated and should be read with GREAT CAUTION !
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Old 09-30-2006, 10:30 AM
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I got a hold of more info from Eric;

Hi Group -

I received the below inquiry from a new WhoRU group member; my response follows his message:

Hi

I am new in this group and one of my best friend is going to court in about a week. We have challenged jurisdiction via judicial notice and the judge did not pay any attention to the notice even though it was based in the Attorney General decision on what the judge must do. Does any one have any ideas on what happened on this case??

Don

Eric's response:

Hi Don -

I can only inform you of what I would have done or not done and what I would do nor not do - what anyone does is entirely up to them!!

The first thing I have to decide and understand is my political status?? Am I a citizen of the United States or am I a Sovereign flesh and blood human being?? If I am a US citizen than I just bow down and let them have their way with me but if I am a Sovereign flesh and blood human being then I don't bow very well.

As I am a real live flesh and blood human being and as I am politically sovereign over myself I would never ever file anything with any fictional political entity such as a court. It needs to be understood that it is a physical impossibility for a flesh and blood human being to inter-relate with a fiction!! Just try talking to a fictional character on the pages of a book and see if the fictional character responds to you - or stand in front of a TV and talk to the image depicted on the TV screen - what response or acknowledgment do you get??

The foregoing is not offered as just some silly example!! If you do not understand the concept of "fiction" and what fiction is, then you may as well forget ever prevailing in these matters based on political jurisdiction!!

You must understand that governments do not exist in nature?? You must understand that as governments do not exist in nature that governments only exist as a fiction created by humans??

The story "Cinderella" is a fiction but humans have made a movie depicting the fiction that we can watch. While we are watching the movie we can intellectually and emotionally merge into the story and the story can seem very real to us and we can react emotionally to the story but all the while we are watching and reacting we know that the fiction is not actually real but just our imagination that is in the story, not our actual flesh and blood human body.

This is exactly what happens in a court!! The court is nothing but a fancy stage set; made up to depict a courtroom. This is true because the political entity that appears there is only able to appear and act out the "script" because all of the participants agree to become fictional actors and thereby volunteer to play as fictional characters in the fictional court - the key for us is to know how to avoid volunteering into the fiction.

As it is self evident that it is absolutely physically impossible for real live flesh and blood humans to interact with physically non-existing fictional characters it is therefore also self evident that when you sent a letter to the fiction you thereby voluntarily participated in the political fiction. Did you not address your letter to the judge or to the court?? The court/judge only exist as part of the political fiction, so when you sent the fiction a letter you thereby indicated your willingness to enter into their fiction and abide by the rules of the fiction. How could it reasonably be otherwise?? But you can opt out at any time you choose - but you have to know how to shout, "CUT"!!
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Old 09-30-2006, 10:31 AM
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The way I do that is by presenting (NOT "appearing' - PRESENTING!!), my real live flesh and blood human body in the set of the fictional court room. The actor who plays the judge really does also exist as a real live flesh and blood human being just as I do. When he comes out dressed in his costume (black robe), he is doing the same thing a movie actor would be doing when the movie actor, dressed in the appropriate costume, takes his position on the stage of a movie set; but the actor remains in his real live flesh and blood human being status until the action starts.

Then, when the "action" starts, the real live man on the bench assumes his fictional role as a judge and
the room (set), becomes a court in the political fiction and everyone who participates MUST also don
the role of a fictional character in order to "appear" in the fictional court.

My "job" is to know when and how to yell "CUT"!!

When the director of a Hollywood fictional depiction yells "CUT" all of the actors drop out of their fictional roles and resume their flesh and blood entities and turn their attention to the real live director who then gives them real live instructions telling them to do this or that in order to have the fictional presentation to be done as he wants. Then, after the director has given his instructions to the real live flesh and blood actors he then yells, "ACTION!!" and all of the actors immediately put aside their real live flesh and blood persons and don the personalities of the fictional characters; the actors then "appear" as the fictional characters they are depicting in the fictional story they are acting out. Everyone who participates in the fiction can only do so by "appearing" in the role of a fictional character!!

So, in the fictional court, when the judge says, "Next case" that is like the director saying, "Action", and
everyone then dons their fictional roles and they all then "appear" on the set and begin acting in their
fictional characters. That is when I need to yell, "CUT", in order to get all the actors to drop out of
their fictional roles and revert to their real live human entities so I can talk to them in their flesh and blood human being form and not as an actor in a fictional court; except I do not yell, "CUT", what I do
is say, "Just a minute, we have here an issue of political jurisdiction to resolve!!" And, thereupon,
the actor playing the judge drops out of his position of authority over me and reverts to his real live
flesh and blood human entity and becomes a man with no more authority than any other man.

At that moment the actor playing the role as "judge" is no longer a fictional judge, he is a real live flesh and blood person, by name of Mr. Smith (or whatever his name is), and as Mr. Smith, a flesh and blood human, he has no political jurisdiction over me because no one then present at that point is in an assumed fictional role, because I refused to don the fictional character as a "defendant" when the "judge" said, "Next case" and I said, "Just a minute, we have here an issue of political jurisdiction to resolve."

At this point I will address the judge as Mr. Smith, not as judge Smith or as Your Honor. This is because at this point he is NOT in his role as a fictional court officer, he is in his real live physical human being entity, and I need to make it clear that I am not "appearing" in their political fiction. Until it is established that the political fiction has political jurisdiction over my real live flesh and blood human form, Mr. Smith is not a judge, as far as I am concerned!!

When I refused to "appear" on stage (by raising the issue of political jurisdiction), I effectively told Mr. Smith (not as "judge Smith" but as Mr. Smith), "I have not joined the Screen Actors Guild (I have not volunteered into US citizenship BUT I AM MOST CERTAINLY NEVER EVER GOING TO SAY THAT!!!*), so I cannot assume this fictional role and the "play" cannot go on with me involved until my status as an actor in this fiction is resolved."

* It is not up to me to tell the perps what my political status is or to tell them that I have not volunteered!!! It is up to them to prove that they have political jurisdiction over me and I do not have to give them any clues!!

It is thereupon the responsibility of the actors, in their real live flesh and blood entities, to produce
proof that I have, indeed, in the past, voluntarily agreed to participate in their political fiction; which it is totally impossible for them to do without my acquiescence.

In previous instances the perp judge has done one of two things:

(1) Stated that he does have jurisdiction, or state that he does have political jurisdiction. In either event I would say, "FOR THE RECORD, I am not "appearing" in this political fiction, I am present here in my real live flesh and blood human being entity and, FOR THE RECORD I want to know on what basis you are claiming that this fictitious political entity has political jurisdiction over my real live flesh and blood human being entity!! When he does not respond within 30 nano seconds I will then say, "There is no possible way that this fictional political entity can establish political jurisdiction over me so this matter is concluded, is expunged from your fictional records and I am departing", and I would walk out.

Or I might say, "As you have of your own volition stated that you do have political jurisdiction, would you please explain what political jurisdiction is and how it is that you have it over my real live flesh and blood human form."

Every time any variation of the forgoing has occurred the perp judges have said absolutely nothing to the Sovereign who then walked out.

(2) Asked questions. Most often the perp judge will ask some question to try to establish jurisdiction, such as, "What is political jurisdiction?" My response would be, "If you don't know it is quite obvious that you do not have it. Therefore, this matter is concluded, is expunged from your fictional records and I am departing.

Or the perp will say, "There is no such thing as political jurisdiction." I would respond, "As it is self evident that governments do not exist in nature, then it reasonably follows that governments can only exist as political fictions and everything done under the jurisdiction thereof would be done under political jurisdiction, so then what you are saying Mr. Smith, is that the government under which this fictional court purports to be a sub entity does not exist. That being your position it reasonably follows that this court has no authority whatsoever, even as a political fiction, so therefore, you could not possibly have any political jurisdiction over me, good day."

Or I might respond, "As you have stated that political jurisdiction does not exist you must know what political jurisdiction is, so would you please explain, for the record, why it is that you claim that political jurisdiction does not exist.

I could say at any time after the perp judge addresses the issue of political jurisdiction over my real live flesh and blood human form, that as it is my understanding that under the separation of powers doctrine, the judicial branch is deemed to be neutral and not a party to litigation brought before it, so, if that is the case, then how is it that the judicial branch is attempting to establish political jurisdiction over my real live flesh and blood human form, the judicial branch is clearly doing what is clearly the responsibility of the executive branch?? As the purported neutral party has clearly exhibited a strong bias in favor of the complaining party, this matter is deemed terminated, expunged from your fictitious records and I am departing.

Cheers,

I'm Eric WhoRU
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I received an e-mail of a post from lawfulremedies@yahoogroups.com;

In Oregon, the ORS actually states that all non-common law crimes are "political offenses."

It does not say commercial - it says political.
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