True Bill In Commerce

[dreloc]

What I dont understand is if the definition or a True Bill is

TRUE BILL - These words are endorsed on a bill of indictment, when a grand jury, after having heard the witnesses for the government, are of opinion that there is sufficient cause to put the defendant on his trial. Formerly, the endorsement was Billa vera, when legal proceedings were in Latin; it is still the practice to write on the back of the bill Ignoramus, when the jury do not find it to be a true bill.


How could a Notary issue a true Bill in commerce for a plaintiff or Damaged party in a Notarial Process is it because the Notary is considerd a magistrate. Are there any samples of what a True Bill in Commerce looks like out there if so could someone please share??? I would like to know how would you use it in a Notorial Process....Help Please...Dreloc

[Notorial dissent]

A “TRUE BILL ” in a judicial sense means an Indictment, or Bill of Indictment as issued by a grand jury. It is a structured legal document wherein an individual or individuals are identified, the criminal act(s) they are believed to have perpetrated is identified, the specific laws that were broken, and the proof that they have seen of this, and that the people named are charged with the crimes mentioned. This is generally how criminal charges are brought.

There is legally no such thing as a True Bill In Commerce, it does not exist, and NO, a Notary CANNOT issue one. There is no such thing as “Notarial Process” a Notary is NOT considered a magistrate, and cannot legally do anything of the sort. A Notary’s sole legal authority is as a commissioner of deeds in that they certify signatures, anything else is an illegality that will land them in a great deal of trouble, and result in the revocation of their commissions.

If you have a legal complaint, you must go through court to establish it, otherwise, you are wasting your time and money, and inviting severe legal repercussions against yourself.

An interesting sidelight, if you persist in this you could find yourself facing a Bill of Indictment, if your state has a statute against counterfeit of judicial process and they choose to proceed against you.

[charlesa6]

dreloc, welcome to the suijuris forum.

[robhalford88]

Originally Posted by Notorial dissent

A “TRUE BILL ” in a judicial sense means an Indictment, or Bill of Indictment as issued by a grand jury. It is a structured legal document wherein an individual or individuals are identified, the criminal act(s) they are believed to have perpetrated is identified, the specific laws that were broken, and the proof that they have seen of this, and that the people named are charged with the crimes mentioned. This is generally how criminal charges are brought.

There is legally no such thing as a True Bill In Commerce, it does not exist, and NO, a Notary CANNOT issue one. There is no such thing as “Notarial Process” a Notary is NOT considered a magistrate, and cannot legally do anything of the sort. A Notary’s sole legal authority is as a commissioner of deeds in that they certify signatures, anything else is an illegality that will land them in a great deal of trouble, and result in the revocation of their commissions.

If you have a legal complaint, you must go through court to establish it, otherwise, you are wasting your time and money, and inviting severe legal repercussions against yourself.

An interesting sidelight, if you persist in this you could find yourself facing a Bill of Indictment, if your state has a statute against counterfeit of judicial process and they choose to proceed against you.

So what is it discussing in the Notary Public handbook then? Specifically, Section 8208 of the California Notary Handbook.
§ 8208. Protest of bill or note for nonacceptance or nonpayment
The protest of a notary public, under his or her hand and official seal, of a bill of exchange
or promissory note for nonacceptance or nonpayment, specifying any of the following is
prima facie evidence of the facts recited therein:
(a) The time and place of presentment.
(b) The fact that presentment was made and the manner thereof.
(c) The cause or reason for protesting the bill.
(d) The demand made and the answer given, if any, or the fact that the drawee or acceptor
could not be found.
Now I KNOW you are either lying or unaware of the facts. I have duplicates of a Notary Protest done. Why do you insist on lying to people and trying to scare them? Are you that hard up that you have to resort to this?

[dreloc]

I was just waiting to see what type of forum this actually is, We need true solutions not criticism I am going to do some research on the True Bill to see how it works and I will keep you posted.

[charlesa6]

Don't renounce, just do what you do best, and keep us posted.

[dreloc]

I did not mean to reject his statement and If I came off a little harsh I do apologize, But from the Rcw,s to the Georgia Codes it states basically the same thing.... "in a nut shell" The Notary processes are administrative and impartial, so when the Respondent(s) in a matter does not reply, or sends a defective reply, the notary is simply recording the dishonor which took place and issues the findings. It is sometimes referred to as an Administrative Judgment Because of the dishonor that stands in the record as having taken place. Technically, a judge probably does the same thing, only the judge determines which party violated the law. With the TRUE BILL in commerce... I was taught that the true bill was just a summary of the judgment damages inside an invoice, but I was wrong, so......what next.........RESEARCH

[Notorial dissent]

Originally Posted by robhalford88

So what is it discussing in the Notary Public handbook then? Specifically, Section 8208 of the California Notary Handbook.
§ 8208. Protest of bill or note for nonacceptance or nonpayment
The protest of a notary public, under his or her hand and official seal, of a bill of exchange
or promissory note for nonacceptance or nonpayment, specifying any of the following is
prima facie evidence of the facts recited therein:
(a) The time and place of presentment.
(b) The fact that presentment was made and the manner thereof.
(c) The cause or reason for protesting the bill.
(d) The demand made and the answer given, if any, or the fact that the drawee or acceptor
could not be found.
Now I KNOW you are either lying or unaware of the facts. I have duplicates of a Notary Protest done. Why do you insist on lying to people and trying to scare them? Are you that hard up that you have to resort to this?

What § 8208 is talking about is certification that a note was presented to the drawee, and that the drawee did not pay the note as stipulated in the note. It will, or should state the time and place of presentment, and by whom, and that payment was refused, and if a reason was given then it is included. It is then signed, dated, and sealed by the notary. This applies <b>ONLY</b> to financial paper, and then only specific financial paper at that. The next step is that the presentor gets to go to court to try and enforce the note.

The only time and thing this comes into play for if a note or bill of exchange is rejected for payment. The notaries only function here is to in essence provide an certificate that the item was presented and refused, beyond that they have no authority to do anything. This is a disused function, most notaries never do one in their entire careers, and for the most part it has been supplanted by the UCC rules. In the end you still have to go to court to get enforcement of your rights.

I am not lying about any of this, it is exactly as stated in the state regs, and is virtually the same state to state. I am not trying to scare anyone, other than to keep them from getting themselves into a mess they can’t get out of.

If you have a protest you would like to post please feel free to do so, I’d love to see it.

If you doubt what I have said, then by all means contact your local secretary of state’s office and ask for the notary section, and ask for someone there to explain what a notarial protest is, and then explain what your version is, they can always use a good laugh.

Originally Posted by dreloc

I did not mean to reject his statement and If I came off a little harsh I do apologize, But from the Rcw,s to the Georgia Codes it states basically the same thing.... "in a nut shell" The Notary processes are administrative and impartial, so when the Respondent(s) in a matter does not reply, or sends a defective reply, the notary is simply recording the dishonor which took place and issues the findings. It is sometimes referred to as an Administrative Judgment Because of the dishonor that stands in the record as having taken place. Technically, a judge probably does the same thing, only the judge determines which party violated the law. With the TRUE BILL in commerce... I was taught that the true bill was just a summary of the judgment damages inside an invoice, but I was wrong, so......what next.........RESEARCH

dreloc, first and foremost, “the Notary process” as you put it is not an administrative or any other kind of process, it DOESN’T exist. The ONLY thing a notary can legally issue a protest certificate over is a financial instrument, note, check, IOU, Bill of Exchange, NOTHING else!!!!! The notary cannot, and should not become involved in any kind of controversy between you and another individual, and in any case, they have NO legal authority to do so. The fact that someone chose to ignore something you sent them is not something they can have anything to do with. It most certainly is not an administrative judgement as that would require an administrative law judge to issue. I don’t know were you got your information about the so called “TRUE BILL” , but it has no legal standing, and is a waste of time. Either work it out with whoever you have a problem with or go to court, those are basically the options.

[robhalford88]

Originally Posted by Notorial dissent

What § 8208 is talking about is certification that a note was presented to the drawee, and that the drawee did not pay the note as stipulated in the note. It will, or should state the time and place of presentment, and by whom, and that payment was refused, and if a reason was given then it is included. It is then signed, dated, and sealed by the notary. This applies <b>ONLY</b> to financial paper, and then only specific financial paper at that. The next step is that the presentor gets to go to court to try and enforce the note.

The only time and thing this comes into play for if a note or bill of exchange is rejected for payment. The notaries only function here is to in essence provide an certificate that the item was presented and refused, beyond that they have no authority to do anything. This is a disused function, most notaries never do one in their entire careers, and for the most part it has been supplanted by the UCC rules. In the end you still have to go to court to get enforcement of your rights.

I am not lying about any of this, it is exactly as stated in the state regs, and is virtually the same state to state. I am not trying to scare anyone, other than to keep them from getting themselves into a mess they can’t get out of.

If you have a protest you would like to post please feel free to do so, I’d love to see it.

If you doubt what I have said, then by all means contact your local secretary of state’s office and ask for the notary section, and ask for someone there to explain what a notarial protest is, and then explain what your version is, they can always use a good laugh.


dreloc, first and foremost, “the Notary process” as you put it is not an administrative or any other kind of process, it DOESN’T exist. The ONLY thing a notary can legally issue a protest certificate over is a financial instrument, note, check, IOU, Bill of Exchange, NOTHING else!!!!! The notary cannot, and should not become involved in any kind of controversy between you and another individual, and in any case, they have NO legal authority to do so. The fact that someone chose to ignore something you sent them is not something they can have anything to do with. It most certainly is not an administrative judgement as that would require an administrative law judge to issue. I don’t know were you got your information about the so called “TRUE BILL” , but it has no legal standing, and is a waste of time. Either work it out with whoever you have a problem with or go to court, those are basically the options.

Are you REALLY that dumb? First you say there is NO notarial process, then when I call you on it, you say it is only for one thing! It either exists or it doesn't.
I am not going to post any copies of notarial protest as they are not done by me and have others personal info on them.
You are correct in 1 thing, you do take the certificate of notarial protest to a court.
You are either a very crafty liar, or just dumb. You forgot the third option for resolving a controversy that is compulsory in some jurisdictions, Alternate Dispute Resolution.

[ezrhythm]

Yes, you will find some "crafty" types on this forum. There is an "ignore" option for their posts.