ND,
You're wrong on the bonding issue.....at least in MI the counties all have a risk management department. Those are the folks that handle that sort of thing.
Actually no, we are talking about two entirely different things. Risk management has to do with insurance against liability, and yes, I am sure they do have, in fact the all do regardless of what they call it. It is however not a bond, and not something you take action against. It is basically liability insurance in the case of accidents and other things which could cost the division money out of their budgets if not otherwise covered. It is not a bond, it is a coverage.
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Agreed. Interesting how some on this site are adamant in pointing out how everyone must follow the letter of the law and then exempt those who are part of the system (supposedly) upholding it. If the paperwork is not on record he (the officer) was acting as an unauthorized agent since he did not follow protocol established in the statutes for accepting his position. Period.
If it was a paperwork error, it is not a fatal error, despite what you would wish to believe, and the law allows for corrections of that kind. Since the matter was not dismissed with prejudice, then they can refile.
Logan, what you like or don’t like is of the greatest insignificance to me. If you find someone telling you the truth rather than feeding your ego and delusions, then I am very much afraid you are in for a life of even greater disappointment.
I am not enthusiastic about anything in this matter, I am just pointing out the obvious you seem so bent on ignoring. As to balance with the court, they took no action after they discovered the error on the filing, if your belief was true they would have ignored it and proceeded.
I find your comment about “thought police” offensive, and since it has nothing to do with the topic at had speaks to your lack of awareness.
The word by the way is “insulting”, and it that was not the intent. If you are insulted by having someone point out the reality of a situation and the obvious to you, then you do have problems. The fact that you do not know what you were talking about, and that you were building false premise upon false information is not my problem that you don’t like it being pointed out to you. Would you be equally offended if someone pointed out you were about to walk into an open manhole, the answer is probably yes, since you only want approbation, and not information.
No one ever said you have to know the procedures of the Bar, however, knowing the ones for the court you are appearing in might save you a lot of grief. As for accountability and equal justice, I would say you got that, they dismissed the charges.
I do not misunderstand a thing you have said. You do not want to be held responsible for the laws the rest of your state for some reason have no problem abiding by, you have a total lack of regard for anyone but yourself, and you have convinced yourself that you alone are important.
From your rant, it is obvious that you are no stranger to encounters with the police, and from your defensiveness I would say they were all justified.
You remind me very much of the “Sovereign” type who rear ended a friend of mine causing over $6000 dollars damage to the car, it was totaled, fortunately not putting her in the hospital, although only just by luck. Her medical bills were astronomical, and she suffered physical damage she will have to live with for the rest of her life. That “Sovereign” reminds of you, he didn’t care about anyone else, he wasn’t to be bound by the laws the rest of us follow, and he had no license, or insurance, so she had to contend with the bills herself. This bozo also had a habit of violating the traffic laws as well, since they didn’t apply to him either.
mrg, as to “thought police” first it would require that you had any to begin with, so you have no worries now or ever, you are good at regurgitating nonsense and parroting someone else’s nonsense but originality doesn’t seem to be your thing, and other than bandwidth wasteage I seen you actually contribute little to any discussion. In the first place, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand, not that that has ever stopped you. There is a great deal of difference between the policing of thought, and the pointing out of the obvious.
If the goal of this forum is education, then it can not achieve its goals unless the counterpoint is openly displayed and discussed. I don’t really care if you believe what I say or not, and in fact I am not saying it for your benefit, but for the benefit of the person asking. If they chose not to at least look at what I say and see if maybe there is something there, then they are not interested in information, they are interested in reinforcement of their own beliefs, and other than getting their egos stroked by the chorus they are seeking nothing.
ND, it would seem that you have come to personally and psychologically identify with the propaganda you have been trained, taught and educated to believe and I see any further effort to convince you of a higher christian principle is wasted.
I will defend your authoritarian belittling only in stating once again, that I know who I am, I know where I was before, and I know where I am going. I will always side with what is good and helpful and defend against that which is damaging and destructive as the teachings of Christ illustrate.
I recommend you do some further course study of the organic Constitution of America and austrian economics which are based in principle and the idea that value is exchanged for equal value in a free market system.
You can bitch, moan and complain all you want about not staying on topic but these principles supersede your defensiveness of your violent authoritarian masters. Your way has not worked, does not work and will not work to improve the quality of man's existence. Your way brings only pain. I suspect that is the reason why you relish the pain of others.
I will not be swayed by your delusions.
Logan
P.S. The name of this site is "suijuris", one not under the power of another. What about that do you not understand?
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If it was a paperwork error, it is not a fatal error, despite what you would wish to believe, and the law allows for corrections of that kind. Since the matter was not dismissed with prejudice, then they can refile.
Is there any proof that it is only a paperwork error and not a complete omission because that is what you wish to believe? I suppose completing the appropriate documents today, backdating them and then recording them today be good enough for you. Would it be accurate to say that you don't believe justice was served here since the state didn't get their "cut"?
Also, you have some nerve calling Logan's post a rant after your diatribe. Shall I tell you about when I got rear ended by a licensed driver for a commercial moving company and the State did nothing to impound their moving truck, suspend their business license or take any action in spite of documented proof that their insurance was expired and I had to sue personally to recover damages (and yes, I still have middle back pain over 10 years later, so save your blame it on the sovereign bull****!)
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P.S. The trooper would not talk to me afterwords, but the other person involved in the accident spoke to me in length afterwords. My judgment: Cops unfriendly-fellow sovereigns friendly.
I'll let Logan speak for himself, but it appears that he and the person whom he was in the accident with have come to terms concerning the accident. The only persons who seem to be unhappy are those who are part of the revenue generation scheme.
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32§398.4. When copy of citation shall be deemed a lawful complaint
In the event the citation form provided for in this Part is sworn to and includes the necessary information required under the general laws of this state with respect to a complaint which charges commission of the offense alleged in said citation to have been committed, then such citation, when filed with a court of proper jurisdiction, shall be deemed to be a lawful complaint for the purpose of prosecution under this Part.
15§429. Corporate existence presumed unless affidavit of denial filed before trial
On trial of any criminal case it shall not be necessary to prove the incorporation of any corporation mentioned in the indictment, unless the defendant, before entering upon such trial, shall have filed his affidavit specifically denying the existence of such corporation.
33§715. Oath of office
Every officer of the city shall, before entering upon the duties of his office, take and subscribe to an oath or affirmation, to be filed and kept in the office of the commission, that he will in all respects faithfully discharge the duties of his office.
Const 10§30. Oath of Office
Section 30. Every official shall take the following oath or affirmation: "I, . . ., do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the constitution and laws of the United States and the constitution and laws of this state and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as . . ., according to the best of my ability and understanding, so help me God."
CHAPTER 4. QUALIFICATION BY TAKING OATH AND
GIVING BOND
PART I. TIME FOR QUALIFICATION
42§141. Time limitation on oath and bond; failure to comply
A. Each public officer, within thirty days after receipt of his commission or within thirty days after receipt of his commission certificate, whichever is later, shall take the oath of office prescribed by law, and give bond, when required, and file the same in the proper office in the manner required by law.
B. Subject to the time limitation set forth in Subsection A of this Section, a public officer may take his oath of office at any time after he receives his commission or commission certificate. An oath taken prior to the date shown on the commission shall be deemed to have been taken on and shall be effective on and after the date on which the term of office for which the oath is taken commences. In cases where the office is one for which no date for term of office is set, an oath taken prior to the date on the commission shall be deemed to have been taken on and shall be effective on and after the date on the commission.
C. Failure to comply with the requirements of this Section shall create a vacancy in the office, and the vacancy shall be filled in accordance with law as in other cases of vacancy.
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What would Jesus do concerning the events of 911? Kill 1,118,000 innocent and unassociated people? Ignorance or Apathy: which one are you?
mrg, as to “thought police” first it would require that you had any to begin with, so you have no worries now or ever, you are good at regurgitating nonsense and parroting someone else’s nonsense but originality doesn’t seem to be your thing, and other than bandwidth wasteage I seen you actually contribute little to any discussion.
And how, precisely, does your saying so make it so?
Why when addressing me do you have only crude, insulting, presumptuous, presumptive fallacious logical ad hominem personal attack to predicate your response as if it were of some substance?
How, precisely, is that other than a cheap, shoddy, coarse politician's rhetorical artifice tactically employed, that does far more to point up, in fact, your own abject lack of originality and integrity than to denigrate me?
How do you not but regurgitate the toxic nonsense fed to you by the money masters beneath whose table you cower and scurry to gather any crumbs that might fall?
How do you not but parrot the lies and propaganda of corrupt power brokers, callous butchers of human flesh for profit, usurers, thieves, murderers, slave traders, and traitors who still kneel at the feet of the Queen Mother/Whore of Babylon?
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In the first place, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand, not that that has ever stopped you.
In the first place, there is no first place.
The initiator of the thread introduced the topic, how then, has it not to do with the topic at hand?
And again, always the snide little condescending twist of the knife in the back.
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There is a great deal of difference between the policing of thought, and the pointing out of the obvious.
Thank you Dr. Faust, may I have another?
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and other than bandwidth wasteage I seen you actually contribute little to any discussion.
Yeah that is a real display of intelligent "thought" there.
Logan, the only thing you got was extremely lucky. They screwed up on the paperwork, and they let you off. You got denied on everything else, and if the paperwork had been right you would have been in a whole lot of trouble.
You ASSUME you know what happened. Not bad, seeing as you weren't there, haven't sighted his transcript and are just mouthing off. As usual. This is the critical part, that you seem to want to ignore. They can refile, any time, and then you will be back where you were, except this time you will get to go to trial. You may get lucky and they may decide it is more trouble than it is worth to refile, but if you ticked someone off, they may just do it for the fun of it. No victory, just plain dumb luck.
Face the truth, anyone of at least half a dozen posters here could wipe the floor with you AND shoonra combined, without breaking sweat. You're a lightweight and not even a good one.
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I dont know how it is where you are but in PA there is something called "municipal police jurisdiction", referenced in the 'judicial code'. It involves some kind of official training and test certification. Maybe you could research that as well to see if 'ocifer bacon' is qualified on these grounds.
There was (and I hope, continues to be) a personality out here in internet-land called "frog farmer", in california, who was real big on noting the absence of proper oaths qualifications etc. He came to the conclusion that there was mostly chaos rather than ANY kind of legal authority. Just "business as usual" and employees receiving paychecks etc. He apparently had a lot of sucess with this approach.
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It is hard to think on your toes when in the presence of such devious lying bastards.
You are right on point LOGAN and you did a great job in court standing your ground, proof of claim, Oath of Office and challenging jurisdiction.
People must understand, that no claim can be placed against you unless there is a true claim which has to be certified on the record, without it there is nothing and in 99% of administrative cases they have nothing.
THERE HAS TO BE A TRUE BILL !!!!
Statute = Administrative process
Until that is exhausted, there is no reason to enter into their realm until you need to get a judicial review which would be in your favour.
Once again great jog Logan !!!
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