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Old 08-23-2007, 01:21 PM
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Prison Bonding

Has anyone successfully found and obtained a prison bond on someone being held in a cell as chattel?

I have read the Shrout and Keating stuff, but have never heard more than theory.

Might anyone be able to share practical application?

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Old 08-24-2007, 06:50 AM
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I have acquired

I have acquired several interesting articles from allegedly credible authors but even so, none have really offered the links to prove out commercial floating of bonds on prisoners. At least in the public sense like registry with CUSIP.

Of course there are schemes such as President Bush's brother owning a monopoly on Prison Services and locally, the wives of several county judges being the stockholders in ComCor - the rehabilitation halfway house. That sort of thing.

[I have also attached proof that the Fraternal Order of Police is the true owner of the Impound Yard. So imagine a cop eyeballing that red sports car knowing the odds he may be an "inside" bidder in eight weeks at the auction.]

One of the suitors heavily involved with securities was willing to include me in some conference calls about this subject, and others, but if I would have taken him up on the offer I would not be able to share things there, here. So I declined.

One lead I got there was that you can search CUSIP and look around searches websites for a free week trial. Spend that week plugging in any numbers you might find - like SSNs and Case #s etc. See if anything tracks to a valid registry.

This topic comes up now and again here but I may take a look through some of those articles for leads. Real quick... attached.


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It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/magframe.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john1a.html

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Old 08-24-2007, 08:32 AM
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This man claims to have tracked down his prison bond

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Koernke


Aparently he is on WTP radio maybe you can call or email him.
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Old 08-24-2007, 08:45 AM
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This man claims to have tracked down his prison bond

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Koernke


Aparently he is on WTP radio maybe you can call or email him.


Send him this link to here!

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/court/...n-bonding.html
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It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/magframe.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john1a.html
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Old 08-24-2007, 09:19 AM
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It is manifestly self-evident that there is a bond for prisoners- the authority receives 'so-much per diem', for every prisoner.

(however this may be different than what the thread is addressing, and more like what D. Merrill refers to above)

Surely as soon as a live human is deposited in the jail, another kind of asset is deposited in the bank, in anticipation of the income.

There is insurance to cover what-not, as well.

Every prisoner in one city jail I understand was worth at least 150 per day from the feds, or a combination of sources. A one year stay for example would have a current value of 'x', which could be deposited at interest, and used to draw down the current account, like in any other business. (or spent very quickly!)

These local governments are always looking for new assets to shore up the balance sheet. This particular one was perpetually strapped for cash so they instituted a 'jail-to-the-bursting-point' policy, and simply eliminated all probable cause hearings for alleged probation violations, as well as preliminary process, and bail or release for same.

And if there were any new charges outstanding, or even shall we say "suggested", then the required hearing after 30 days would be postponed indefinitely.

One could spend up to 3 years in county jail this way, and make a nice buck for the MAN, INC. Typical stay was about a year.

Unless you pay the right lawyer a very modest fee.

(paying the wrong lawyer a huge fee wont help any)

They literally had prisoners sleeping in closets, anywhere they could be "stashed".
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Old 08-24-2007, 09:50 AM
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logically surmised

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It is manifestly self-evident that there is a bond for prisoners- the authority receives 'so-much per diem', for every prisoner.

(however this may be different than what the thread is addressing, and more like what D. Merrill refers to above)

Surely as soon as a live human is deposited in the jail, another kind of asset is deposited in the bank, in anticipation of the income.

There is insurance to cover what-not, as well.

Every prisoner in one city jail I understand was worth at least 150 per day from the feds, or a combination of sources. A one year stay for example would have a current value of 'x', which could be deposited at interest, and used to draw down the current account, like in any other business. (or spent very quickly!)

These local governments are always looking for new assets to shore up the balance sheet. This particular one was perpetually strapped for cash so they instituted a 'jail-to-the-bursting-point' policy, and simply eliminated all probable cause hearings for alleged probation violations, as well as preliminary process, and bail or release for same.

And if there were any new charges outstanding, or even shall we say "suggested", then the required hearing after 30 days would be postponed indefinitely.

One could spend up to 3 years in county jail this way, and make a nice buck for the MAN, INC. Typical stay was about a year.

Unless you pay the right lawyer a very modest fee.

(paying the wrong lawyer a huge fee wont help any)

They literally had prisoners sleeping in closets, anywhere they could be "stashed".


I have heard that a jailer may budget $40/day/prisoner but like any commodities market there are many owners for that contract. A day trader friend of mine said there may be 12,000 owners of any particular ounce of gold contracted at a time.

By floating securities on the prisoner and a steady situation - that he is known to have that job as prisoner for a certain duration (sentence), there may be some $40,000/day/prisoner being generated in the market in securities.

The point of the thread as far as I am concerned is bringing that conjecture from speculation into reality with a few clicks of a mouse - to see registry of a prisoner and his demise from civil society capitalized upon. To see some kind of proof.

I hope Mark makes an appearance and will provide some interesting links.


Regards,

David Merrill.
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It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/magframe.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john1a.html
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Old 08-25-2007, 05:58 AM
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.. to see registry of a prisoner and his demise from civil society capitalized upon....

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Of course if the paperwork that incarcerates a Man shows his name in all capitals that would be proof that he has been 'capitalized', a process of civilization determined by facts (evil deeds) in a manner similar to the inquisition.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?...earchmode=none
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Christ O.E. crist, from L. Christus, from Gk. khristos "the anointed" (translation of Heb. mashiah, see messiah), from khriein "to rub, anoint," title given to Jesus of Nazareth. The L. term drove out O.E. hæland "healer" as the preferred descriptive term for Jesus. A title, treated as a proper name in O.E., but not regularly capitalized until 17c.
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Old 08-25-2007, 06:16 AM
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Of course if the paperwork that incarcerates a Man shows his name in all capitals that would be proof that he has been 'capitalized', a process of civilization determined by facts (evil deeds) in a manner similar to the inquisition.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?...earchmode=none

However his title, Yehoshuah H'Natzrith has always been capitalized:

Netzar - The BRANCH.

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Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

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Jer 33:15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.

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Zec 3:8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.

Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

Of course one has to decrypt the Worthless Shepherd prophecy of Zechariah correctly to understand that Judas, the treasurer was to return after buying a sword and kill Jesus with it. [If you have difficulty with that, consider why would Peter have gone out selling coats for swords after Judas failed in completing the prophecy.]


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It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/magframe.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john1a.html
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Old 08-25-2007, 07:59 AM
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However his title, Yehoshuah H'Natzrith has always been capitalized:

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I believe that is true although sadly so.

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TITHES, Eng. law. A right to the tenth part of the produce of, lands, the stocks upon lands, and the personal industry of the inhabitants. These tithes are raised for the support of the clergy.

2. Fortunately, in the United States, the clergy can be supported by the zeal of the people for religion, and there are, no tithes. Vide Cruise, Dig. tit. 22; Ayliffe's Parerg. 504.

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cap·i·tal·ize
: to convert into capital <capitalize the company's reserve fund> b : to treat as an amortizable investment in long-term capital assets rather than as an ordinary operating expense to be charged against revenue for the period in which it is incurred <capitalize development costs>

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capital - of or relating to capital; especially : relating to or being assets that add to the long-term net worth of a corporation <capital improvements>
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Old 08-25-2007, 08:06 AM
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zionism capitalizes

Indeed it is interesting how Zionism has capitalized upon the Messianic concept - especially through Justice Louis Dembitz BRANDEIS in 1938 with Erie.


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It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/magframe.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john1a.html
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