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Old 05-11-2008, 05:28 PM
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This sort of nonsense solidifies my opinion of DiM.
So far, all we've seen is a unidentifiable piece of a court hearing transcript -- no court order, no judicial decision, etc. This same "sanitized" fragment shows up - also without any useful information or court decision - on a number of other tax dodger websites.

So far as I can discover, the antics used by "Randy" in this bit of a court transcript have not really worked in any real court case.
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Old 05-11-2008, 05:35 PM
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WRONG AGAIN!
I JUST posted yesterday in this thread that another member has used the same abatement successfully.

Howcome I cannot find such a posting??
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:41 PM
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This sort of nonsense solidifies my opinion of DiM.
So far, all we've seen is a unidentifiable piece of a court hearing transcript -- no court order, no judicial decision, etc. This same "sanitized" fragment shows up - also without any useful information or court decision - on a number of other tax dodger websites.

So far as I can discover, the antics used by "Randy" in this bit of a court transcript have not really worked in any real court case.


I know that snippet about not being in the City of Colorado Springs is a little difficult to digest.

Like I always say about any abatement process digitized; just search for the words Refusal or Refused for Cause. Then you can save a lot of paper.




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It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/magframe.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john1a.html
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Old 05-11-2008, 11:58 PM
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So far as I can discover...

Key phrase there folks!
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Howcome I cannot find such a posting??

Good question! Wow, and after I narrowed it down to this thread too.

Oh, I bet I can guess! It isn't contained in a court record or cite.
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Old 05-12-2008, 04:37 AM
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Good question! Wow, and after I narrowed it down to this thread too.
Oh, I bet I can guess! It isn't contained in a court record or cite.

On May 11th, you said you posted it "yesterday" and on this thread -- cannot find any such posting on May 10th.

As a generality, a court case occuring in this country in this dimension does have a court record of some sort.
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Key phrase there folks!

Yes, EZ, unlike you (and MRG and DiM), I don't pretend to be omniscient.
So, if you can point to a bona fide court decision that goes the other way, you'd have proven me wrong!
I'm waiting. . . . .
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:14 AM
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Delays in refreshing caused a duplicate post.
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It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/magframe.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john1a.html
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Yes, EZ, unlike you (and MRG and DiM), I don't pretend to be omniscient.
So, if you can point to a bona fide court decision that goes the other way, you'd have proven me wrong!
I'm waiting. . . . .


Thank you for thinking I am omniscient Shoonra!

Delays in refreshing caused a duplicate post. But if this keeps up I can be omnipresent too!


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Originally Posted by Shoonra
It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/magframe.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john1a.html
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:22 AM
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Yes, EZ, unlike you (and MRG and DiM), I don't pretend to be omniscient.
So, if you can point to a bona fide court decision that goes the other way, you'd have proven me wrong!
I'm waiting. . . . .


Thank you for thinking I am omniscient Shoonra!

I took another look and see Shoonra's point. What happens is saving face - the judge never dismissed the case and that is because there was no jurisdiction to begin with.

Now Randy Lee could have sat there in the gallery for a couple hours and likely the judge would have perceived his confusion about jurisdiction and called him back to the podium - probably pointed and silently waved him to come back up; then said:

Mr. Lee is back, standing at the podium. What can I do for you?

As Randy accepted the benefit of discussion, the IRS would have cured jurisdiction in that lower courtroom. Good thing Randy Lee and John Joseph understood their jural society in common law.

Importantly the reader must not think the issue was upper case v. lower case lettering. "Randy Lee" was just a much different spelling than the colorable artifice on the summons. If Randy Lee would have been using that artifice with the IRS and Fed (private credit) then the transcript would have been much different. The attorney in the black robe would have seen no issue of misnomer.

As it was, Shoonra is right - the IRS could have changed the name on the summons. However it is only thinking he is the artifice, that would cause Randy Lee the man to appear. And the IRS has to deal in artificial names associated the artificial currency (elastic fiat).


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It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/magframe.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john1a.html
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