Supreme Court Denies Certiorari for Right to Petition Case

[aksis]

People;

I was posting at the Courthouse Forum the other day and thought that this might be of interest to the people reading and posting at this forum, as many are aware of the WE THE PEOPLE FOUNDATIONFOR CONSTITUTIONAL EDUCATION, INC. and their battle[s].

The particular issue:

On January 4, 2008, the Judges of the Supreme Court of the United States, in conference, voted to deny the Petition for Writ of Certiorari in the landmark Right-to-Petition case We The People v. United States. On January 7 the Court issued its Order denying certiorari.

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http://www.courthouseforum.com/forum....php?id=986912

The question I posed to those people reading and posting there, and now here, is:

Does a legal fiction have such a right?
WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Does an artificial person, namely, WE THE PEOPLE FOUNDATION (a.k.a. WE THE PEOPLE), have standing to bring such a suit in the first place?

Make no mistake, this foundation and the "We, the People..." mentioned in the preamble of the Constitution of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA are NOT one and the same.

Regards,

Christopher Theodore of the family of Rhodes

P.S.

Kindly forgive me if I seem like nothing more then another dissenter.

Regards,

Christopher Theodore of the family of Rhodes

[Shoonra]

A corporate body, such as the We The People Foundation, has (as a generality) legal standing to bring a suit. In this instance, however, there had already been at least two full-scale Supreme Court decisions on this issue and the Court did not see a pressing reason to either disturb or explain the precedents.

[aksis]

Shoorna;

The point I was making is not about if an artificial person can bring a suit, it is this particular suit.

If one has naught the right, then how can one seek a remedy?

There is no "standing to sue" based upon any portion of the 1st Amendment for an artificial person. Artificial persons have no such rights and will always fail to state a claim for which relief can be granted if they 'complain' about alienation of rights secured to people...

If an artificial person has a right to petition the government for a redress of grievances, it is not secured by the 1st amendment...

Magnanimously,

Christopher Theodore of the family of Rhodes

[KarenM]

The artificial person argument is moot, because there were several hundred plaintiffs in the suit: The WTP Foundation, the We The People Congress, Bob Schulz and a few hundred supporters, all, but the first two, natural persons.

See http://www.givemeliberty.org/RTPLaws...ed-9-15-04.PDF for a list of the plaintiffs.

The Supreme Court denied cert. to both parties.

[aksis]

KarenM;

Quite impressive, really.

Nothing natural about those persons... excepting the people they were created for... and applied to. All I saw was artificial persons... a long list of Citizens. You read my brief about the Office of Citizen yet?

Is it still lawful to tax the income of government employees?

Prehaps people should quit using their Citizenship to work non-government jobs... and for anything that isn't a public function... simply be one of "We, the People" rather then a member of some organization, even if it's one called WE THE PEOPLE... FOUNDATION...

Magnanimously,

Christopher Theodore: Rhodes

P.S.

The early press gangs operated within the law. They would frequent the bars on the lookout for any young, strong and fit looking male. Having found their target, they would persuade the poor fellow into volunteering as they bought the beer, ensuring that the victim became more and more incapable, until he would agree to almost anything. So the poor wretch would awake from his drunken sleep to find himself on one of his Majesty's Warships. He was now subject to the full rigours of military discipline, so there was no turning back.

Press gangs would often use trickery. When the victim was not looking, they would drop a shilling into his tankard of ale. Having drunk the ale, the victim was classed as having accepted the Kings shilling and therefore had "Volunteered" to serve on a Warship. Any argument and the "Volunteer" was knocked unconscious only to come round as a fully paid up crew member, so once again there was no turning back.

A shilling (12 pennies) carried an impression of the Kings head and was a substantial sum of money in those days. The landlords in charge of these port bars were rapidly losing their customers with this trick, so they introduced the glass bottom tankard. This enabled the drinker to check to ensure that there was not a shilling in the tankard before he drank the ale. Even today in the UK, newly purchased pewter tankards have this glass bottom, so the tradition continues.

Press gangs soon realised that they could keep these shillings for themselves if they simply used force and kidnapped the victim. This became common place.

http://www.the-old-sea-dog.net/uk9.html

P.P.S.

Reality really is:

[elijah701]

In Court matters do judges/magistrates not have an Oath, here on AUSTRALIA judges /magistrates have an Oath and I have found bonding judges to there Oath helpful, Here on AUSTRALIA their Oath is as stated (I swear to uphold the laws of Queen lizabeth II her heirs and successors and to show no ill will nor favor so help me God) failure for them to abide by that Oath would that not be an impeachment of their own OATH like MR BUSH what we are also learning is that a living soul can not talk/speak to the dead/fictions/courts (as they exist only on paper) so the stage we are at at this point in time is to complete an Arbitration process would any men or women be able to go on skype so we may all conference call for free skypecast is conference by invitation only, Suijuris Rocks

Sincerest Regards Respectfully