Any circumstances where a sui juris member might consider contracting an attorney?

[phreeman2003]

For hypothetical discussion, while the central purpose of the site is know thyself be thy master, would/could there be a situation in which one of a self-governing nature might utilize his right to contract the services counsel of a person of the attorney kind?

For example, some people are bad test takers or public speakers. Would it behoove them to enlist counsel to assist with in being infront of the bench? Of course, of counsel, would by necessity be of the like mind to the self-governing man and have already passed a test of character and intergrity. I know in certain circumstances just enlisting an attorney can put one under the court's jurisdiction.

So, essentially, as it is virtually impossible for one man to do and know everything are there any instances members here might consider the contract services of counsel, other than, services rendered by a plea bargaining prosecutor reducing serious charges to a minor court costs fee?

I'm thinking an honest man, of the attorney kind, whose eyes and mind have been opened to the total corrupt nature of the judicial/banking system would be a good recruit like Jerome Daley [sic] from the Credit River.

[moishanb]

Originally Posted by phreeman2003

For hypothetical discussion, while the central purpose of the site is know thyself be thy master, would/could there be a situation in which one of a self-governing nature might utilize his right to contract the services counsel of a person of the attorney kind?

For example, some people are bad test takers or public speakers. Would it behoove them to enlist counsel to assist with in being infront of the bench? Of course, of counsel, would by necessity be of the like mind to the self-governing man and have already passed a test of character and intergrity. I know in certain circumstances just enlisting an attorney can put one under the court's jurisdiction.

So, essentially, as it is virtually impossible for one man to do and know everything are there any instances members here might consider the contract services of counsel, other than, services rendered by a plea bargaining prosecutor reducing serious charges to a minor court costs fee?

I'm thinking an honest man, of the attorney kind, whose eyes and mind have been opened to the total corrupt nature of the judicial/banking system would be a good recruit like Jerome Daley [sic] from the Credit River.

NO!

There is no justifiable reason to hand over one's power and authority to another man/woman.

[ezrhythm]

In ALL circumstances, who is THE one and only Wonderful Counselor?

[mrg]

What the Constitution has "guaranteed," the BAR ASSOCIATIONS have stolen away.

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

I have recently employed an attorney to good use- the key word here being employed. He works for me. This took a while, they are an ornery bunch and aren't used to listening or service. You have to know what you are talking about to make proper orders.

The other thing that helped in this case was that the attoney here is ex oficio, paid for by the state, and merely serves as co-counsel. You have to keep the reins in hand.

So this attorney helped me a great deal- he's better at writing legal documents than I am, and once tamed, (he's actually a good guy) he used his powers of legal reasoning to focus much better on the matter at hand- the end result has been an articulate and easily understood pleading that stands a proper chance.

[weishaupt1776]

Hakeem had a case where he was facing a year in jail for some traffic offense and he used the Ticketslayer process and hired an atty as CO-COUNSEL, but NOT to re-present him to the court

It costs, but could be worth it in the long run

unfortunately, the really good ones want alot upfront as a retainer

[macerico]

If you find an attorney who respects your position and will do nothing more than help you work the system, I see no issue, but if you're pushing a "Sui Juris" argument in court, I doubt an attorney can do much to help you. You might be right, but his training is to work within the system.

It is also a good idea to "use the system" for some things...like a will or power of attorney should something happen to you since others will bear the burden of dealing with your estate or your affairs if you become incapacitated.

I have a will. I've already let people know that should I die, they don't need to account for everything I own. Why should anyone get to tax what I pass on to others? So long as everyone will keep their mouth shut, all will be well.

[Neilzinno]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

unfortunately, the really good ones want alot upfront as a retainer

This is true - you definitely get what you pay for.

[mrg]

And if you can't "pay" enough to buy the best "Justus" that money can buy, its off you go to pay your debt to "society."

Ah Free-dom.

No debtors prisons here.

2.3 million served, and counting.

Manburgers.

Yum!

At least call it what it is.

[mrg]

Thanks Cody.
You are correct.