Refusing judges sentence

There was a thread somewhere where the discussion was that you can refuse a judge's sentence because the courts are dealing with administrative rules and not law. Anyone have anymore information on this?

[KaosTheory]

I heard this on John Jennings seminar. Goto:

http://www.kel.cc/downloads/TaxStuff...Law/index.html

Download 5b and cue it up to around 11:10

Jennings says the judge actually apologized to the guy after the room was cleared and dropped his sentence completely.

I cant download this right now, (dialup connection). hey, what was the basis for him refusing the sentence? From looking at rice mcleod's material, it appears that u can refuse the sentence because its a offer of contract (administrative hearing), and, like all other contracts they trick you into, u can refuse the contract. do you know exactly what the guy told the judge?

[KaosTheory]

Yeah, Jennings said that after every offer of sentence, the guy said "No sir, I can not accept that". The judge pretended to get mad after a few offers and had him taken away to jail. After the guy was out of the court room, a woman appeared and said that she was the judge's secretary and needed the officers to bring the "prisoner" to the judge. This is where the judge apologized in private and set him free. That is the gist of what Jennings described.

Now, Jennings says that he sort of knew this judge and knew that the judge was a nice guy. I don't think that this would happen in every situation. Actually, I am thinking that it is probably very rare. No harm in trying though

well, this is what I DO KNOW. if you volunteer for a contract, you are ****ed. please forgive my language but that is the truth. ask anybody on a child support order. i told my last kids mother that the court will never, ever,ever,ever, get me to sign any of their crap again. if u refuse and go to jail, they have NOTHING, and they know it. it amounts to a kidnapping. see,the only way they can put u into jail without a trial is contempt, and one of the elements of contempt is WILLFULNESS. well, if they dont have a order (contract)that you have willingly contempted on, they have nothing. its a bluff game and the guy in the Jennings audio pulled their bluff.

[rushpat]

Yes, the one in the Jennings thread is one of the 3 I've found. Another was a Rice McLeod audio from many months ago, then one by Greg Pappas interview on Liberty Forum (www.libertyforum.info), I believe it was Oct 10, 2004, in the archives, 2nd half. His was to announce that there would be no jail time, no monetary penalty, etc. and to get it on the record.

That show should still be on file at the wwfar.com archive site.

HOLY SMOKES.

I downloaded this months ago and just now turned it on. WHAT A FIND!!!!

HB

ok, i downloaded the files pertaining to this thread. From what i heard, this is information thats been known for a while ( basically refusing to contract with the court within the first 72 hrs). the main thing i heard that i hadnt heard before was making the statement that you dont recognize the courts and refuse any fine, sentence,etc. and then walking out the court if they let you. good stuff.

[rushpat]

Okay, so we have links to the Jennings tape and the Greg Pappas audio (in which John Bryant says that someone else he knows has used the refusal successfully).

I'll try to find the older Rice McLeod audio and post it here on suijuris.net

Good stuff, what im seeing is we have to BELEIVE in what we are doing. Where they get us is holding us hostage and we buckle under. ive done it myself. but, what i should have done is cancel the contracts at the FIRST APPEARANCE. this is done within that 72 hr window. Look, a lot of people are still gonna say that we have to stick with the law for this stuff, but i totally disagree. you wanna know why? The reason is simple and we keep ignoring it. The law doesnt matter after u sign them contracts with them. Thats the whole game and if u expose it, they will leave u alone. Yeah, we learn their court procedures, rules, regulations, codes, court cites, this and that, but, contract is LAW. whatever u sign overrides anything in the constitution. Let me give u a example. ive been to jail a couple times on petty stuff but they would always catch me at a bad time financially and i would not be able to bond out and fight the little simple stuff, so what would happen is, and ive seen this repeated numerous times, they will bring u a court appointed attorney with a plea deal from the district attorney office. this usually happens the day of a court appearance. they will hold u in a holding cell and bring the public defender to your cell, and by the way, it most likely the first time u have even spoke or seen him. he will bring in a contract and have u waive every right u have in order to be released that day. Then, and this is where the funny stuff kicks in and you wonder what the hell is going on. They bring u in front of the judge, they have a tape recorder going and a court transcriber speaking into a audio device. (quicker than typing). The first thing the judge asks for is your name. Then he asks for your address. Then he asks you to stand under the charges (do you understand the charges). Then, and this is where EVERYONE , even a certified dummy knows this is fishy, the judge says to you, NOONE OFFERED YOU ANYTHING TO SIGN THIS DEAL DID THEY? Now, what goes thru your mind is this. " i know that judge KNOWS that district attorney got with the public defender and offered me a chance to go home in exchange for a conviction." See, what ive learned from my years of studying its all simple like Rice, WAde, Winston, Jack Smith and all the guru's have been saying all along. Its all about contracts, period. They have u recorded and witnessed saying that you freely waived your constitutional rights. Why are they so adament at getting you to say u did this freely? the why is because they tricked or forced you into a contract and now the law gos out the window, because you enacted a NEW LAW right there in the contract. thats the remedy folks, stop signing their crap and pull their bluff. So, you are a sovereign and TELL THEM what to do up UNTIL you mess up and contract with a bondsman, a attorney or acknowledge in anyway the fraud of jurisdiction that is going on. dont say u dont understand the charges, say u refuse to contract with them in any way and demand to be released.