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Old 11-18-2004, 08:14 AM
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What is the Purpose of laws?

What is the purpose of laws? We like to think that the myriad of laws, regulations, codes, statutes, rules and ordinances were written up and enacted to keep people on the straight and narrow path, and to bring them back on to it when they strayed. Some form of punishment was thought necessary in order to be a deterrent to not only the initial straying, but to keep people from doing it all over again later, as well as compensating the agrieved parties. So that punishment angle is always a component in a law. Sometimes this works and sometimes it doesn't. But that was then, and this is now.
Nowadays, it seems that more and more legislation is being written to generate a cash flow for the various governmental and quasi-governmental agencies. More and more regulations breed a necessity for more enforcement personnel, which breeds a need for budget increases to pay for that enforcement, which in turn creates a need for more laws to generate more revenue..... and on and on it goes. Property confiscation laws of all types abound everywhere one looks. These properties which are stolen through legal means are then converted into more bookkeeping entries in the budgets. It's a source of cash flow!
So this new paradigm, one of revenue collection instead of the protection of the populace at large, makes one wonder what is going on and how to stop it. Isn't it a fundamental of a civilization that the people are supposed to be able to live in peace and harmony, pursuing their own forms of happiness, so long as they're not making others UNhappy? Yes, that is the basic premise, but unfortunately, there are a few power hungry fools who with the gift of gab and silver tongues trick us into letting them run the show for us. And then they begin to work their evil ways upon us little by little. Pretty soon, we are prisoners in our own homes because the moment we step outside of it, and even before that too, we are deemed to be in violation of some law or other which is used to extract some more of our wealth from us.
So what's the way out of this mess? Maybe it lies in asking enough questions. Asking and asking more and more until those proverbial cows come home. If the women and men in power are actually serving us, aren't we then their masters? Since when is it not proper for the master to enquire of his/her servants EXACTLY what it is that they do all day long to deserve their pay? If it is found that they do nothing useful for us, then isn't it well within our right to not pay them anymore?
How is it that the court system runs so smoothly, just like a well built and oiled piece of machinery? Might a part of that be the fact that not enough questions are asked that might gum up the works? Are our egos really so tender and swollen that they cannot stand the slightest little touch of a pointed question without rupturing? Like the question of do we understand the charges being levelled against us? Do we blunt those questions by saying that yes, we DO understand them, just to preserve our egos at the expense of our wallets and maybe even our body? What would be the result if everybody who went into a courtroom were to demand that they be fully informed of every aspect of what was not only going on at the moment, but might transpire in the future too? Isn't it the right of someone who is accused of something to know EXACTLY what is going on, and how and why? If we don't have that right, then why bother with the charade of a court where no real justice is being served anyway? Why not just dispense with all of that and take everything which the person owns outright? It would obviate the need for a lot of paperwork and administration for one thing, lots of jobs would be lost. That's why. So the illusion that we are somehow participating in a justice cycle where the innocent will be vindicated and the guilty punished must be preserved and the ones who ask too many questions are shut up one way or another. But can everyone be shut up? No, they cannot. Shutting up too many people then makes the scam even more obvious and more and more questions are asked and demanded to be answered.
So now, maybe it's time to reverse the flow and instead of us being treated like serfs, vassals and slaves, we begin to ask the most fundamental questions we can. Questions like just WHO really is the master here and why? And keep asking questions until those cows come home. How can a person be punished for trying to dispel their own ignorance when it is commonly held that ignorance of a law is not an excuse for violating it?
If the real purpose of a court and the laws it enforces is actually for our own good, then educating us fully certainly must fall within that purpose. It's for our own good to know, and bad for us to not know something. If the judge says that we must hire a lieyer that has been approved and licensed by a private organization to operate in their closed system of commerce to answer our questions, then we should ask why. Is there a law which says so? Why is such a law in place? What would be the result of one NOT taking on a lieyer who is known to be pledged to act against the best interest of the client and in favor of the position of the State? What makes one bound to obey such a law? Contempt of court, sir/ma'am? What am I doing that's so contemptable? Just asking questions is contemptable? I don't understand! Question after question until one fully understands all aspects of the issues at bar, and one can then enter an intelligent and knowledgeable plea. How long would that take? Who can really say? It takes as long as it takes, no more and no less than that. If the clock runs out before actual proceedings start, well that's just too darn bad because justice and equality under the law is supposed to be paramount to all else. If these are really our courts and we are supposed to get justice in them, then it's justice we will get, one way or another, regardless of how long it may take.

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Old 11-18-2004, 08:36 AM
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Read "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat. It's an hour of reading material, and it will explain the reason for laws.

Course, if you want the Cliff Notes version, I can give that to you in one word:

Plunder.



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Old 11-19-2004, 06:17 PM
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Old 11-20-2004, 01:51 AM
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classic true encounter with a judge ive had: i saw a judge walking toward a his office one day outside a courtroom and asked him if he was a judge, to which he replied yes. i said, "can i ask you a question"? he said, "yes", i said, " do judges take a oath to support the constitution?" he said, "yes", i said, " why dont you guys go by it then"? he looked at me wide eyed and said, " i cant answer any more questions", and walked off. this was around 2001
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Old 11-20-2004, 02:35 AM
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Old 11-20-2004, 08:12 AM
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lol, i take my shots when i can. lol
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