The Constitution Restoration Act

Ice · #1 02-18-2004, 06:14 PM

Members,

Please read the article "The Constitution Restoration Act".& I would very much like to hear some feedback on this attempt to "reign in" the Courts.

Also, last night I saw a story about a bill being introduced in the Florida&legislature in regards to the rights of parents ... if anyone has information they could supply in regards to that bill, it just might be worth some discussion.

Thank you.

Ice

James · #2 02-18-2004, 10:39 PM

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You asked for some feedback on the article “The Constitution Restoration Act.” Well here is my two-cents.<o

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First let's see who drafted this bill. “…a star-studded legal team including Chief Justice Moore’s lead counsel, Herb Titus.” I smell an “Attorney” a.k.a. parasite. The “BAR” attorneys write, prosecute, and enforce (through “Attorneys General”) the well over sixty-million-statutes (anti-law) in this country. Thus, we have the largest prison, parole, and probation-population in the world. Haven’t they (attorneys) done enough damage to this country? <o

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Let’s look at these, “star-studded,” legal-wizards. The title: “The Constitution Restoration Act.” The word-Constitution is a noun that has been converted into an adjective modifying the noun-Restoration. The noun-Restitution has been converted into an adjective modifying the noun-Act. Thus, the language properly read would be, “Non-existent, non-existent-Act.”
The article states “Initial sponsors of the bill include Rep. Robert Aderholt (AL), Rep. Michael Pence (IN), Sen. Richard Shelby (AL), Sen. Zell Miller (GA), Sen. Sam Brownback(KS), and Sen. Lindsey Graham (SC).” I wonder how many of these persons are “BAR” attorney members.<o

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In my humble opinion I believe it is an illusion. I could be wrong and if so, I apologize.<o

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Enough said, I’m sure you were looking for better feedback.

Ice · #3 02-19-2004, 12:32 AM

Actually, that was the kind of stuff that I was wondering if ANYONE would even think of!!

The term "illusion" is on the money.

It may very well be that some right thinking people are attempting to do the right thing... but they have enlisted the aid of BAR members that will do everything in their power to make sure they hold onto ALL THE POWER.& What I would like to see is a copy of this legislation... can you imagine the word games that are going on in that document?!?& If it isn't short and sweet, concise and to the point... then it may very well be nothing more than an "illusion".

BUT WHAT IF IT ISN'T AN ILLUSION??& What if these guys are some of those guys that I've been saying are actually out there?& Guys that want to do the right thing... guys like us that have positioned themselves and feel that NOW is the time to act because they have a good number of people 'awakened' (plugs pulled)?... WHAT IF....

ah hell... one could only hope...

(wake up Dorothy... wake up...)

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kurte · #4 02-19-2004, 05:33 PM

Just a thought from me,,, One of the backers of this bill is Alan Keyes, who ran to be the Republican candidate against W. The only Republican or Democrrat I have ever heared in recent times call for the abolution of the income tax and return to the constitutionaly based method of taxation. I am certain he would abolish the Federal Reserve if given the chance. Justice Moore of course was removed from his office for refusing to remove his display of the Ten Commandments. Both show more spine and integrity than I am used from a public "servant" . Zell Miller has also shown integrity, and a patriotic love of our countrie. The solution is political. It will take intelligent and informed public to fix& our problems.

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Ice · #5 02-19-2004, 07:51 PM

Let me point out something...

They have always combined the truth... or a little of it... in order to get done what they want done.& How many "riders" will be attached to this bill that will just do away with many more of YOUR freedoms and liberties??& It's one thing to protect ELECTED OFFICIALS (or gov. owned buildings/land) from the FED COURTS... it a whole different story when it comes to protecting Americans.

Here is some truth:

"You see, what difference does it make who wins a presidential or congressional election if neither party will faithfully discharge their duty to the U.S. Constitution? We have seen Republican and Democratic presidents come and go. The same goes for congressmen and senators. Yet, government continues to get bigger and bigger, while freedom gets smaller and smaller. Neither has either major party done anything to reverse the trend toward so******m and globalism."

And like I said... all they gotta do is come up with a bill that the people would love to see passed... and then attach all kinds of little goodies to it... and they will have successfully screwed the people once again!!

We are still dealing with BAR members!!

You don't think they are slick enough to have set up the whole thing from the beginning??& Let's get into conspiracy mode-- try this: What if the whole deal with the TEN Commandments was a put on?... done for the sake of "rousing" the "public"... and, of course... it makes a "good guy" out of a judge.& Then, the "good guy" judge gets TOUGH (the people cheer!!) -- he gets beaten down but comes back with strong legislation and some gutsy legislators to help get the job done!! --- "HE'S OUR HERO!!& HURRAY!!" cry all the zombi brain washed masses.& But, unbeknownst to the zombi brain washed masses...

You can see that Ice has no trust... I'm sure that a million scenarios like this one could be thought up.& But&even&if this IS good legislation -- it won't get passed without some CRAP legislation attached to it.& That's a fact.... so count on it.

Has anyone read this legislation yet??

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wirlwind · #6 02-19-2004, 08:13 PM

I am going to respond to this because I want to believe that Roy Moore is the kind of man that I think he is.& I&live in&alabama, and live about 20 miles from Gadsden where Roy Moore was a judge& before he went to Montgomery- to a position that he was elected to, and then removed from by a supreme& court judge.& It was never put before the people of Alabama to remove him- even though they are the ones that put him there.& Roy Moore has alway been known as a strict judge, and a lot of people that are very liberal felt he was too strict because he was always touting the 10 Commandments.& The 10 Commandments were on display in his courtroom in Gadsden also, and I don't think that they were removed.&There was some&sort of movement to get them removed there before he went to Montgomery.&After he was removed from office they asked him what he was going to do, and he replied"I guess I'll have to look for a job."& He believe so strongly in keeping the 10 Commandments on display at the state capitol that he was willing to lose his job (and he did.) He has spoken about Americans losing their rights, and our nation turning away from God.& I believe that he is a Godly man.& Maybe not totally informed though.& He has taken an unpopular stand in this day and age.& And has suffered consequences for that stand.&Probably not in Alabama (I mean the stand that he has taken being unpopular)&which is&right in the middle of the Bible Belt.& If this kind of movement back to God and our individual freedoms will start anywhere it will probably start in the Bible Belt.& we're still kind of "backwards" down here. (not necessarily a bad thing.)

I have met Robert Aderholt (rep from alabama), and I believe him to be a man of God.& He stood solidly behind Roy Moore when he was being removed from office and& Ten Commandments were being removed from the state capitol.

Maybe I am just hoping that this is something positive, but I just feel that it is.& And I'm praying that it is also.

Wirlwind

kurte · #7 02-19-2004, 08:19 PM

As I said, it will take an INVOLVED, educated (to what is going on, rather than indoctrinated by the education system) electorate. We need to put people in office that will not compromise. We still have the best form of Government on Earth, We need to bring back the principles of our founding fathers, who indeed knew and warned us of allowing such things as central bankers and fiat money get in control. And they have sure been successful. Not possible you think? It would take relativley small numbers at all levels to markedly change things. But it will never happen with the two party system as it stands today. The Democrats and republicans are not substantially different from one another. Originally sponsored by the European central bankers, no real difference exist( they are conservative or liberal So******ts/communists, no matter what they say. They are totally dedicated to the one world government/United Nations.

Ice · #8 02-19-2004, 08:28 PM

wirlwind,

Regardless of who any of the guys that wrote this legislation are... regardless of the fact that they are all good god fearing men...

How are they going to get it passed without OTHER LEGISLATORS attaching "riders" to it??& We still have to deal with the reality of it.& And here is something that they will definitely have to watch out for -- "amendments" or changes to the actual legislation.& It goes in reading one thing... comes out reading something totally different.

kurte,

I agree with your stand on putting people in office that will not compromise... I'd like to see FARMER JOE or GROCER BOB holding office than any BAR member.& I would love to see non BAR card people in office... regular joe's like ... you!!... or wirlwind!!... ANYONE THAT ISN'T AN ATTORNEY WOULD BE GREAT!!!

By the way, IF Ice were allowed to vote -- Ice would be voting for a couple libertarian candidates... and a couple other folks that have no ties to any party... and they ain't BAR CARD HOLDERS!!

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#9 03-03-2004, 09:05 AM

guys, what about this fundamental question:& "Consitution Restoration Act"&- the title is very suggestive, is it not?

if the constitution is "alive and well" then why the "restoration?"

wouldn't this act, via its passage, be public acknowledgement of the death of the constitution?

wouldn't the body of the act be public acknowledgement of the equity/admiralty courts under which we operate?

just asking as i'm always seeking answers - i'll never know enough.

jon

Ice · #10 03-03-2004, 10:35 AM

Remember, the title doesn't have anything to do with the subject or content of the particular law...

haven't you noticed that in the code?

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