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Noticing parties
Lets say u wanna notice several police officers. can they all be noticed with one letter to their chief?
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01-04-2005, 05:39 AM
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Re: Noticing Parties
Greetings,
I comprehend the theory of "notice to the agent is notice to the principal", and vice versa, however, to me that would be fine, if you are suing them in their corporate capacity. But, I look at it this way: If you are suing them in their private, individual capacity, then, does it not stand to reason that they should be "noticed" in their private, individual capacity? Just a thought.
Also, I read a post at creditwrench.blogspot.com a couple of weeks back, in which 5 local judges were being sued in a civil R.I.C.O. The process server was hanging out at the courthouse, serving each one of the parties in hand, rather than just leaving papers with the court clerk.
Sincerely,
truth
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01-04-2005, 06:49 AM
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I think if you send the main person all the copies to: and you send it registered mail with a certificate of mailing by a third party and you make the main person the mail man and remind them of the postal union rules then you don't have to worry about it. It will be the "mail Carrier's" job to deliver.
Kitchie
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01-04-2005, 01:44 PM
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noticing parties
is it ok to address more than one party on the face of the letter and inside the document that you sent also? im just trying to save money as i have about 12 people to serve registered mail.
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01-04-2005, 08:21 PM
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Althought the alignment is a bit squewed I believe you can get the idea of how to lay this out. Your registered mail and certificate of mailing make it mail and cargo. ceritificate of mailing is bill of lading that describes the contents of the cargo.
I hope this helps some.
Kitchie
John-Paul; Jones, Creditor Secured Party
San Joaquin County
The State of California
United States of America 1776 AD
Petition for Agreement and Harmony within the admiralty in the Nature of a
NOTICE OF INTERNATIONAL COMMERCIAL
CLAIM WITHIN THE ADMIRALTY ADMINISTRATIVE REMEDY
28 U.S.C. §1333, 1337
File # JPJ04022004
Date: April 19, 2004
Declarant: John-Paul; Jones, Creditor Secured Party,
C/o Ima Goodguy, Notary Acceptor
8888 Harvard Road
Stockton [95215] California state
Respondent: GREGORY GILLEN, et al. Revenue Officer Employee ID# 68-11596
Mail Carrier
DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE
100 Smith Ranch Road, Suite 120
San Rafael, CA 94903
MARK W. EVERSON Commissioner Internal Revenue Service
STEPHANIE HART Revenue Officer-North Highlands
MICHAEL ROCKWELL Group manager-North Highlands
JOHN TAM Internal Revenue Service
BILL RYDER Revenue Officer-North Highlands
MR. PARIZEK Employee ID# 29-6199
THOMAS D. MATHEWS Ogden Service Center
In care of:
GREGORY GILLEN
Respondent is additionally subject to postal statutes and the jurisdiction of the Universal Postal Union.
ADMINISTRATIVE REMEDY PROCEEDURE
Declarant by Restricted Appearance is hereby exhausting his administrative remedies within the admiralty by Notice(ing) the Internal Revenue Service and its Co-Party(ies?) and Officers.
28 U.S.C. §1333, §2461 and §2463
As an operation of law Declarant is required to exhaust his administrative remedies. This Administrative Remedy document is mail as identified in the Affidavit of Service.
As with any administrative process, Libellee may controvert the statements and/orclaims made by Libelant by executing and delivering a verified response point by point,
in affidavit form, sworn and attested to, signed by Liabillee with evidence in support.
Liabilee may agree and admit to all statements and claims made by Declarant by
TACIT PROCURATION by simply remaining silent.
ESTOPPEL BY ACQUIESCENCE: In the event Libillee admits the statements and
claims by TACIT PROCURATION, all issues are deemed settled RES JUDICATA, STARE DECISIS and COLLATERAL ESTOPPEL and as a result, JUDGMENT BY ESTOPPEL and not subject to appeal. Libillee may not argue, controvert, or otherwise protest the finality of the administrative findings in any subsequent process, whether administrative or judicial.
Libillee is granted 10 days to respond to the statements and claims herein and/or to provide Libillee's own answers to inquires.
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01-05-2005, 02:07 AM
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noticing parties
so i could make the police chief the mail carrier and he is responsible for sending the letter to all his officers? where are you getting these rules from?
kitchie, where did you get the above information from? there are things in there that are interesting.
Last edited by kgod999 : 01-05-2005 at 02:13 AM.
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01-05-2005, 05:38 AM
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K-
Most of the info I found on the internet and in Am Jur. There is alot about Admiralty there. Other info I picked up from Winston Shrout, Jason Whitney, Rice McCloud etc. There is a great deal more to this doc. I found an article about a man who used Pastor Standrings Are you lost at C book. This guy laid out the process and the stuff about the Postal Union. The Chief may not understand it and the DA might have a bit of trouble but the Attorney General will know what it means. And if the Chief fails to send the mail to the otheres on the list then he is in some mighty big trouble!!
Now I am not saying that you should go by way of admiralty, however the "form" is one you can use with what ever court rules and civil laws that you provide to show they are incompetent.
Kitchie
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01-05-2005, 10:27 AM
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noticing parties
i have a big question. its my overstanding that under the common law, you give 30 days notice and a default becomes law. if you give 10 days, is that a statutory or commercial grace period. thats a big issue.
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01-05-2005, 05:11 PM
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my take on the mailing: send/serve a copy on each individual yourself or a reliable third party (not the chief). i wouldn't trust him/her to do the proper job which could then later haunt you or ruin your process perfection. you can address a NOTICE to all parties involved within the same NOTICE and not necessarily as individuals as long as you are suing them en masse and not individually (the assumption being the suite is for the same reason all around, in other words, no-one is getting a different treatment from the group).
my reasoning for this is a recent settlement correspondence received concerning an estate - it was addressed to all parties involved but a copy sent to each individual party.
just my two cents...
jon
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01-06-2005, 10:25 AM
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Hey There!!
Your worries are without merit. It would be no concern of yours if the chief or whoever did not deliver the mail. The chief is now bound by International and US Postal Union rules and if he breaks those rules he is toast. Not only that he will be handing it off to the AG and the DA. So you send it to the AG and make him the mail carrier then you name the chief and all the other little indians that are trying to take your freedom or who have injured you.
Go and Google Pastor Richard Standring and you will find where to get his book and the article that was written by someone else who used his process in court. In that essay he explains all about the postal union etc.
Kitchie
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