Case Law Definition of Natural Person?

I deny being a Natural Person, as that term connotes being "of nature" or "from nature."

Funny thing, I can't find a case law definition of it.

To one that is still "plugged in," the term sounds innocent enough, however, it's in the statutory definitions, and that causes me to believe it is a jurisdictional definition.

Also indivudual.


One who believes that Almighty God dwells within them can never admit to being an individual, as they are never alone.

Just food for thought.

HB

[KITCHIE]

Cool HB!!

so ya go into court and they say are you ALLCAPS NAME who did this really bad thing? And you say I am never alone cuz GOD is in the US vessel known as ALL CAPS NAME with me?

Or something of that "nature" (lol) ?

Kitchie

Well, he promises to never leave or forsake us in Heb 13:5.

I have written proof that I am not an individual, but I have the Holy Spirit (Almighty God) dwelling in me.

Can the court refute that?

I doubt they'd have the cajones to even try.

If they do, I WILL get a copy of that record...

HB

[weishaupt1776]

Do you know what a thingamajig is?

If you don't, then how could you know what a natural thingamajig is?

Greetings,

One of my favorite references, and I believe among the most definitive, is by Francis Lieber, author of the famed Lieber code drawn up for Lincoln. The code was created as "Instructions for the Government of Armies of the United States in the Field". Francis Lieber defined "persona" as "the mask of the actor which covers his whole head".

Given that, I could not accept the title of person in any capacity, natural or otherwise. I wear no such mask, I do not worship at the alter of reorganized bankruptcy. Is it not written that a natural man is a natural fool and my Lord is no respector of persons?

Wee don Kneed no steenking case lawww!!!

Sincerely,
truth

Truth,

Thank you for your post. I was about to classify myself as a biblical person, and your post caused me to re-think that approach, and search the scriptures for the word "person."

Check out this little gem I found, and I will try to explain it by using several versions, but first the KJV 1611, which is what I will use in court.

Galatians 2:6 "God accepteth no man's person."

Persona is truly a mask or facade.

Read the whole scripture in context, and it explains that false "brethren had slipped in and tried to put the church in bondage (how ironic) again.

God only looks on the heart, or the inner man, and that meshes with the above reference.

here it is in the amplified version, which is easier to understand for the average man or woman.

Pay Special attention to verse 5 which shows that they didn't submit to the false brethren's jurisdiction.


Galatians 2
1THEN AFTER [an interval] of fourteen years I again went up to Jerusalem. [This time I went] with Barnabas, taking Titus along with [me] also.

2I went because it was specially and divinely revealed to me that I should go, and I put before them the Gospel [declaring to them that] which I preach among the Gentiles. However, [I presented the matter] privately before those of repute, [for I wanted to make certain, by thus at first confining my communication to this private conference] that I was not running or had not run in vain [guarding against being discredited either in what I was planning to do or had already done].

3But [all went well!] even Titus, who was with me, was not compelled [as some had anticipated] to be circumcised, although he was a Greek.

4[My precaution was] because of false brethren who had been secretly smuggled in [to the Christian brotherhood]; they had slipped in to spy on our liberty and the freedom which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might again bring us into bondage [under the Law of Moses].

5To them we did not yield submission even for a moment, that the truth of the Gospel might continue to be [preserved] for you [in its purity].

6Moreover, [no new requirements were made] by those who were reputed to be something--though what was their individual position and whether they really were of importance or not makes no difference to me; God is not impressed with the positions that men hold and He is not partial and recognizes no external distinctions--those [I say] who were of repute imposed no new requirements upon me [had nothing to add to my Gospel, and from them I received no new suggestions].(A)


External distinctions above is in the same position as "person" in the KJV.

I hereby deny being a "person" (mask).

The bible says to let your yea be yea and your nay - nay.

What you see is what you get.

HB


Thanks again truth.

Good Evening Henry Bowman,

You are most welcome. But, any gracious recognition [I hate to use the word "credit" for obvious reasons] is due to a gentleman by the name of Greg Loren Durand, the author of Abraham Lincoln, America's Caesar. I was already well aware of the pitfalls of the word "person", but, Greg's research put a whole new light on it, in a military sense. You can find the E-book doing a search on crownrights, America's Caesar. I was fortunate to get the first edition version, and I think the Lieber information was in Chapter 17, but, it's been awhile. He's quite a guy, being able to do all that research. Wait till you see the bibliography.

I know you were looking for case law, but as far as the word "person", I have had alot of fun showing friends how to track the word in Black's Law 6th.

There are about eighteen legal definitions under the word "person", one of which is "corporation" and here it says a corporation is a person within the meanings of the equal protection and due process clauses of the fourteenth amendment.

Now look up the word "corporation" and it explains among other things that a corporation is an "artificial" person.

So, look up "artificial person" and it says an artificial person is "AS DISTINGUISHED FROM A NATURAL PERSON"

But, remember a natural person is still a person, which is a corporation.
You gotta give'm CREDIT [I'll use it here, they deserve it], PRETTY SLICK.

By the way, there has been such a big deal and lots of fake munny made on this controversy over the all caps name. Over the years, I have read so much sometimes quite expensive information and visited websites searching. At least among the "patriot movement" it is now pretty much common knowledge that an all caps version of your name is just a "description" of your Christian name and family surname. Now, for the punchline.

In Black's 6th, look up the definition of a "name". In the end, they come right out and tell you. And here it is:

"AND DESCRIPTION OR ABBRIEVIATION IS NOT THE EQUIVALENT OF A NAME."

So, there you go, by their own definition, that thing on a drivers license, with the MIDDLE INITIAL and/or all caps AIN'T NO NAME.

I believe that at the end of these definitions, you will find case cites that you can research and reference, if it becomes binding to play in their world.

Sincerely,
truth

Natural person (Law), a man, woman, or child, in distinction from a corporation. {In person}, by one's self; with bodily presence; not by representative. ``The king himself in person is set forth.'' --Shak. {In the person of}, in the place of; acting for. --Shak.

Greetings Dragon,

Please tell me, where can I find that definition? I am particularly interested ONLY if it does specifically state "IN DISTINCTION FROM A CORPORATION".

Yet, still, notice it says "with bodily presence". Body, corpus, a dead entity!!!

He is the God of the living, not of the dead.

Notice further, "by one's self". The word "self" is yet another favorite of mine. "So, will you be re-PRESENTING your SELF, Mr. DumbAss?", a common judicial inquiry.

And, I graciously respond. "Is it not written that if I bear witness OF my self, my witness is not true?"

The word self is another one of those Freudian Bolschevic buzzwords that became very popular in the U.S. after the turn of the century. And our acknowledgement of it, I believe, splits us down the middle, just as in a separation of church and state.

I am one.

Sincerely,
truth

If you look in any states codes for the definition of "person" you will very quickly realize that you can't have a "natural person" anymore than you can have a natural jet engine. Think about it.