Commercial Law Vs The Law

Ive come full circle back to a problem i have with everything we do in the "law" arena. I mentioned this briefly in my thread entitled court order, and my problem goes back to everybody's problem in this forum. Why do the courts continue to ignore mountains of evidence we present to them in just simple matters as a traffic ticket and other areas? We know its all about them collecting money, but, is the problem that we are truly SLAVES to this madness? Is commercial law the answer? Do we need to study more about bonding cases, default judgments, acceptance for value? Ive come to the conclusion that we have dissected "law" until we have become black and blue with frustration. Lets take a simple traffic citation in which a person is arrested. We can argue: im not a statutory person, the statute isnt a valid law, i wasnt in commerce, where is the verified complaint from a damaged party and on and on, and they still fight you. Now, ive had success, ive helped people get clear cut victories in traffice cases. My problem is, they want you to go to the extreme to make them go away when the remedy is simple. take ANY criminal case. there MUST BE A DAMAGED PARTY. period. that alone should make 90 percent of criminal cases stop as soon as you bring that up. In debt cases, how can you pay a debt with a debt (federal reserve note). its as simple as that, equal protection says if the feds can circulate promissary notes, then we as private people can do the same. All of the above is why im beginning to pay a little more attention to commercial law. I truly believe the contracts they trick us into is the key and that people are going to jail for debts in ALL CRIMINAL CASES. The judges seem to be not able to follow their oaths for a reason, and the reason may just be that it is all purely commercial and when you pay attention to the word "statute" it makes all the sense in the world. Acceptance for value isnt the problem. Cancelling the contract isnt the problem. Issuing a bond isnt the problem. the problem is we need to learn how to become creditors after discharging these cases. I said this in the other thread (court order). see, they have been saying all alone in the redemption community that once the debt is discharged, stop contracting back into the problem, and thats what we do. People, we need to start issuing our own orders and put them into the public record. once you take title to a case or cancel the case for fraud or whatever method you do, order the damn thing closed and in debts situation, do the same. they aint gonna come behind you and close it again, thats what we are asking them to do. think about this. does sears or kmart get a judgment from the court before they invoice you on the monthly statement? no, they already got judgement from you in some way or form. we need to learn how to become creditors like them. People keep bad mouthing Roger Elwick, Rice Mcleod and the others, but these people are right. They may go to the extreme in explaining these things, and people get into trouble because they test the system in the wrong way. Start using commercial process back against them. use their tools, if i default a judge, dammit, hes gonna get invoiced. no need to file a lien unless he pushes the issue. As long as you can get your documents into the public record including the default to cover your butt, they have nothing to come at you with. When you prove a judge is acting outside his jurisdiction, immunity is gone and they cannot say you are messing with him. We have to take the equity or push them into admiralty. period.

[weishaupt1776]

So your talking about the standars default process, right?

CA4V w/ affidavit to be rebutted
Notice of Default/cure
Final default

The thing is to invoice them.

I get so confused when checking the redemption teachers out. Seems like there is alot of division & that they bad mouth each other so they can retain their clientele @ $300 a seminar/workshop.

Why do these guys charge so much?

Is there a way that we can put our money/materials together & come up w/a process & procedure?

dont get caught up in being fancy, get a simple process and stick with it. What im saying mainly in the above post is this, the court is coming at you with a commercial charge, period. we need to discharge that debt and enter it into the record. stop waiting on them to give us the order we want. thats the main thing in this thread.

[weishaupt1776]

So would the main tools be the UCCFS w/SA & the Bond?
Let's take something simple.
Say you get a parking ticket.
What would you do ste by step?

ok, there are several things you can do that you are already familiar with. cancel the ticket for fraud within 72 hours, the fraud being the lack of a enacting clause on the statute you are charged with. accept for value the tickets and return for settlement and closure registered mail. when you get the receipt back that they got it, then send out a account closed statement. file all this into the public record. another method would be to ask for the value of the case and then tender a bond or promissary note to discharge. the MAIN POINT, again, is dont wait on them to acknowledge the debt being discharged because they arent. See, Winston Strout and the rest of them are still in the area of asking THE SYSTEM to adjust the account. they are talking about fiduciary appointments and stuff. MAYBE that would work if you can see it through, but, my take on all it is tender the discharge instrument, have proof you did and file it into the public record with a statement of accounting that the case is zero (closed). if you dont know the value of the case, accept it for the accessed value of the case and return for settlement and closure of the account. You got to stick them to the fact that a statute is a debt claim they say you are owing. they dont want that in the public record so stick it on them anyway. the reason im saying all this stuff is , again, they ignore the law so, to kill their silent notice of the commercial game thats going on so that you dont default, kill the money issue. everything after that can be done under force , duress, etc and state that in writing if they continue to come after you after you adjust the account.

[iamfreeru2]

Weis,

The information we are getting in the Redemption movement is verifying everything that we are doing. Some of the processes may be a little off, but we are learning more and more every day. Start researching what a Statute Staple is and you will see that is what a Statute is and is being used to enslave us.

Statute Staple = A 1353 statute establishing procedure for settling disputes among merchants who traded in staple towns. The statute helped merchants receive swift judgment for debt. Cf. STATUTE MERCHANT. 2. A bond for commercial debt. A statute staple gave the lender a possessory right in the land of a debtor who failed to repay a loan. See STAPLE.

Have you heard that prisoners and the prison system is traded in the NYSE. There is some serious $$ involved. Take a serious look at what is taking place and you will find answers.

I would share more but am somewhat restricted from doing so at present. I will share more as I am able to. Kgod has it right though. It's all about commerce. What they are doing in the courtroom is all commercial, this is in conformity to 27 CFR 72.11, where it says all crimes are commercial. Think about it.

iamfree, i didnt even wanna touch the case bonding stuff yet but you brought it up. ( the bid bond, performance and payment bond). now, its my understanding that they cant get those bonds against you if you kill the money issue first by not defaulting. (getting convicted). thats why i say the main thing is to do EVERYTHING under duress if they ignore your discharging the case, that way, any bonds or convictions that go out will be void for fraud. the first thing you do is sign any tickets under duress, do that out the box from the get because that sets the whole thing up for fraud under the ucc and common law. reserving rights aint gonna get it, you gotta kill the statute. This stuff is on wild fire right now, the fact that the statute is a monetary thing. ive heard this before but paid little attention to it until now. Theres no way around that fact, i dont care what any "law" guru says. Go to some forums like lawworks at yahoo and he will ban you for bringing up the money issue. well, good for him because the common law stuff he using, they run thru it. we have more than enought knowledge on how to use common law and the legal system. remember , the constitution has 3 jurisdictions, common law, admiralty and equity. Statutory is no where in there, you know why? because them aint courts, those are banks you are going into and they are tricking us into debtors prison and probation and parole. peeace

[seeker]

Kgod:

I think you got it, man! It's like a jungle strewn with landmines out there! How, exactly, do we need to put it into the public record? If there is a court case and we enter the default as part of the record there, doesn't that constitute entering it into the public record? How would one proceed, do you think, to invoice that default? Bill a CCC or the attornay bringing the conflict to public? This is a question Vanton and I have been reflecting over for some time -- The 'public' venue will not recognize you have already closed the account on the private side, and I think that at the point where they go in and award a judgment, (this includes a 'guilty verdict'), that is where we need to be able to A4V the Court papers, attach a CPN or IBOE and hand it back to them with a smile and leave.
More and more the research is pointing to the "all crime is commercial;all commerce is contract", and we need to dig a little deeper to find the closure we seek there. The correct process;the correct venue;the correct corporation to put on notice;the correct closure and settlement.
Way to go kgod!

Seeker

[iamfreeru2]

Kgod,

I am in agreement with Seeker on this. You are definitely on the right track. Keep digging, the truth is being uncovered. I also agree with you regarding the "Law." If this is where we need to be then we would be winning the battle and not losing it. Unfortunately there are many that do not see this and are lost at "C." The powers that be love this, as they know we are not together. You know what is said about a house divided.

Seeker,

Vanton and I as well as others have been reflecting on this as well. We are getting close to the answers. The truth will always surface. We have been walking in the dark for a long time and the light is beginning to show through and eventually all will be exposed. The problem we have been having is knowing the process from start to finish, but the pieces are coming together. Remember the powers that be have had a very long time to develope this and it has not been easy to uncover. There are many people researching and some have had to pay a heavy price. It is not because they have been wrong. It is because the powers that be know we are close and are making it as difficult possible for all concerned. This is why I also believe Roger Elvick and others have become political prisoners.

[test]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

So your talking about the standars default process, right?

CA4V w/ affidavit to be rebutted
Notice of Default/cure
Final default

The thing is to invoice them.

I get so confused when checking the redemption teachers out. Seems like there is alot of division & that they bad mouth each other so they can retain their clientele @ $300 a seminar/workshop.

Why do these guys charge so much?

Is there a way that we can put our money/materials together & come up w/a process & procedure?

Here are links with information about the redemption process:

http://www.commonlawvenue.com/People...nual_Index.htm

http://www.securedparty.org/pdffiles/interp.pdf

http://freedomdomain.com/redemption1.html

Also I have some files called "A New Beginning.zip" that I can't remember where they came from.