Public Law versus Public Policy

goldphoenix · #1 03-04-2004, 11:01 AM

Any thoughts on this, ladies and gents?

I have read that Public Law is way better than Public Policy, and that using public policy can attach one to a different jurisdiction than using public law.

Peace,

goldphoenix

Jerseee · #2 03-04-2004, 12:02 PM

goldphoenix,

law is for humans

policy, codes, statutes are for fictions (strawman)

hope that helps

goldphoenix · #3 03-04-2004, 02:32 PM

Thank you, Jerseee,

That's a very clear description.

So is the UCC is for the strawman?

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goldphoenix

Jerseee · #4 03-04-2004, 03:05 PM

goldphoenix,

yes and no.& from my knowledge, most of it is for the fictions but, the UCC is&a descendant of Law Merchant/maritime law.& It has just been codified in the 1940s (i believe--I could be off).

#5 03-04-2004, 08:16 PM

Here is another way to look at it goldphoenix,

I may be making an assumption about your age but I would bet that you have never spent a dollar in your life.

Jim
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goldphoenix · #6 03-04-2004, 09:22 PM

Thank you, Jerseee. So does UCC fall under public&law or public policy? Being a code, would it fall under public policy?

Jim,

A dollar coin or a dollar note?

Dollar: A coin or note worth one dollar

(doesn't say what the worth of one dollar is, though)

Etymology of dollar: Low German daler, taler, from German Taler, short for Joachimstaler, after Joachimstal (Jáchymov), a town of northwest Czech Republic where similar coins were first minted.

Since the word dollar originated from the northwest Czech Republic, I can't help wondering what types of coins were minted then and there?

#7 03-04-2004, 11:40 PM

Jerseee or Jim,

Where did you learn which law is for which.& What you said makes a lot of sense, I just want to be able to see it.

Thanks,

Sara-Jane

James · #8 03-05-2004, 12:00 AM

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Jerseee · #9 03-05-2004, 02:07 AM

Montana,

I learned from speakers like Conforth and also by reading the constitution. It only references law not codes. then you do some research and find when did public policy begin? Did it begin before or after 1929?

#10 03-05-2004, 04:28 AM

this is a easy one. Look at it this way. Walmart has rules and policies that apply to its employees. Do those rules and policies apply to you if you do not work for Walmart? Its the same with public policy, it applies to members of the corporation or public which is the government. They trick us into the game by use of the strawman. Thats how they get around the Constitution.&