Child Support adm. process

My license was suspended about two years ago after falling behind on child support. After being arrested a couple of times for going to work without the license, i woke up and finally decided to send the child support agency that suspended my license a contract offer to get my license back. now, ive been trying to get these people to call me on the phone for several weeks and got no response, so i sent them a 10 day contract which stated that the agency was WILLFULLY restricting my ability to comply with the child support order and right to live. lo and behold, they CALLED my house and played dumb and asked what the contract was about? (playing stupid). part of the contract stated the fact that im a disabled veteran and they are prevently me from getting medical treatment. Anyway, the supervisor at the agency calls me and is upset because im not one of the 99.99 percent of dummies who let THEM control administrative process. The supervisor asked me about my disability, child support modification and a whole lot of issues that dont pertain to the contract because she is off balance right now. The contract stated that if the agency refused my settlement offer to them that they admit enforcing a bill of pains and penalties against me and that they admit they are restricting my right to live and comply with the order. it also said if they didnt respond within 10 days, they accepted the terms of the offer. Anyway, the supervisor tried to call me a liar about being disabled because i work. where they are stuck is the fact they are garnishing my wages so they cant run to a contempt charge against me, and whats really ugly is, if anything happens to me NOW, its obviously because of the contract offer to them which i also will be filing into my child support case. See, where people go to jail over child support is over one word, "willing". they must prove you are WILLFULLY not complying with a child support order. so, my contract offer to them to comply with my order willfully being denied by THEM hurts that basic element of contempt, so they are trying to contract me over the phone into a lot of side issues. they supervisor wanted me to fax them proof im disabled. i not faxing anything because that would be opening up a contract with them. funny how they ignored me until they got that contract in the mail. they contract with me all the time with 10 day letters, always stating 10 days this, 10 days that, now they got a 10 day contract and hurried up and called me, but tried to pretend they was still in control of the situation. im setting up the trap for the liens and lawsuits that are gonna fly in this matter for them enforcing a bill of pains and penalties on me which they will admit in the contract by their refusal. they stuck like chuck.

[Jerseee]

Kgod,

I hope you are not fogetting the GA Constitution. For example, from the bill of rights:

Paragraph XVI. Self-incrimination. No person shall be compelled to give testimony tending in any manner to be self-incriminating.

Paragraph XVII. Bail; fines; punishment; arrest, abuse of prisoners. Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted; nor shall any person be abused in being arrested, while under arrest, or in prison.

Paragraph XXII. Involuntary servitude. There shall be no involuntary servitude within the State of Georgia except as a punishment for crime after legal conviction thereof or for contempt of court.

Paragraph XXIII. Imprisonment for debt. There shall be no imprisonment for debt.

Just thought you could use a jump start.

yes, jerseee. ive got all that down, but thats going to be in the sledgehammer paperwork. im starting off with the license issue first. then, if they wanna act stupid, im going all the way including admin processing the child support agency, the childs mother and whoever attaches themselves to my contract. thanx for the input. i didnt wanna release too much of my knowledge at them just yet, we jabbing right now in this fight, but, if they throw me a hook, im gonna come with that right cross you pointed out in your post, especially the one about peonage (involuntary servitude). whats really gonna get them for fraud is the fact that the statutes dont have enacting clauses either, so the child support order is void because its based on void statutes from the get. when i get thru with all this, im gonna put a claim in with the us court of claims because the government is taking private funds for public use without just compensation, its all gonna be in my right cross contract.

Keep up the good work Kgodd! :O

Jerseee, on a important note. The Georgia Constitution says there will be no involuntary servitude unless you are convicted or contempt of court. Now, you know they illegally threw the contempt of court provision on there and thats exactly why they railroad people in child support situations into jail without trail, due process, etc. But, and this is why the child support people called me instead of writing. Contempt is always based on you WILLFULLY not complying with a judge's order. So, my contract stated that im at all times willing to comply with my order, but the child support agency is WILLFULLY RESTRAINING me from complying with the order by suspending my drivers license which makes it a hardship to get to work to comply with the order in the first place. The key is im getting their admittance in the contract. They either accept my offer of settlement OR they admit they intend to refuse money (a big no no in the commercial world) and admit they intend to continue to hinder my ability to comply with the order. Now, all the steam is gone from any contempt crap they can pull against me. What i believe they are gonna do is ignore the contract, default and then im gonna do a judicial review to get a judge to force them to take the money from me. Jeez, imagine, im gonna get a judge to get them to accept money.

[ezrhythm]

What ended up happening? Is it in another post somewhere?

geez, that was a little while back, but what winded up happening is the child support agency supervisor called me at HOME after receiving my contract in the mail. the contract stated that THEY were WILLINGLY preventing me from my child support obligation by preventing me to get to work. They ended up giving me my license back because of the fear of my putting the contract INTO THE CASE FILE. see, the judges operate from your WILLFUL disobedience to his orders, that is criminal under admiralty law. to escape embarrassment, they negotiated with me to give me my license back and backed waaay off me. by the way, most of these private enforcement agencies are out of business now, particularly maximus, they were taking the states for millions and collecting peanuts because most fathers who dont pay dont have the ability to anyway. Im glad you brought this up. while we at it, if you review complaints from child support attornies, its full of assumptions that if you dont rebut, you admit to. (and they pretend our contracts where we ask them to rebut is frivilous). anyway, child support enforcement gains control over you in only one way, contract. there are two ways they can gain this contract. one is by you contracting with your wife in a divorce settlement agreement. if you default in payments, she can contract them into coming after you. the other way is the state has to have given your baby's mother welfare and then they come after you for repayment under the guise of child support. in most cases when you and the mother were not married, they will put into the complaint that your child received public assistance (even if its not true), and if you dont rebut that, they gain jurisdiction (contract) and away they go. we cure all their defects in the complaint and procedure by not responding properly.

[ezrhythm]

Thanks kgod999 for responding. Could you post that contract regarding the DL suspension or send it to me?

Unfortunately I've allowed myself to get in over my head.
I have signed a divorce decree. (11 years ago)
The X went on public assistance for a while.
They mistakenly claim I owe 45k in arrears. Including beginning their calculation over a year before we were seperated.
I have been called in to court for payment adjustment. Through testimony was able to have the payments lowered.
I have been called in to court again for payment adjustment.
I have signed a paper stating that I will return on a date in August with bank records and tax returns.
So far I have obviously allowed them to have jurisdiction.

NOW that I'm a bit wiser, it's time to turn the table.
I've been studying and reading til I fall over. Then I get up and study and read some more, fall over again. Repeat.

At this point I know I need to revoke the ole' marriage license. After that, every judgement since that license should be void, correct?

[scooterdog]

Or use the books I gave you! Nobody is going to send a contract to get you out of what you owe. The longer you f***k around, the worse it gets. Just rebut, get it into court PROPERLY, and end it.

send them a contract?? WHAT EVER!! You better damn well learn where your at in law, OR, SUFFER! Do it right, end it that simple. Sending paper work to any of these Jag-off's isn't doing you anygood. Just do it right, back um in a corner, and kick some ass!!

ez, you have to be more specific as to what you want to accomplish. private message me. and, dont be discouraged by the scooter who said they will ignore a contract. just yesterday, 8 owners of the atlanta hawks basketball team lost a court case in maryland where they are bickering over ownership of the hawks and thrashers with a 9th owner. the 9th owner won the right to buy out the other owners by a contract they agreed upon last year and i quote from the judge's ruling: " i have not been given any court cite that will allow me to stay the operation of this contract by either party". contracts are the law. they were under the impression that the court procedures would allow them to not fulfill their contractual obligation. these are not courts, they are places to end contract disputes. peeace.