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Old 02-25-2005, 06:03 AM
Randy
 
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by HenryBowman

I know what you just said about they don't care, but my goal is to make them care.

I admit I have a far less "noble" reason for it all. When I walk away, after they've fired me, after they've done whatever it is they're going to do, I want them, behind closed doors (or course) to say only this:

"Damn, there goes a little man that takes crap from nobody. And you know what, he's right about what he said."

Gonna have to give ol' Mr. Stevens a read. Y'all make it seem like he's less about specific "strategies" and the like and more about a basic education in "What the hell is going on around here?".

I cannot "learn" from losing. It appears you are in the same boat.

Well, we actually do learn from losing. We learn what a bunch of evil bastards we're dealing with, that's for sure. We learn that we're not nearly as "free" as we're told. We learn that profits are more important than people.

Mr. Bowman, you'll like this:

That employer who fired me over the tax-thing? Happened on 04/15/2000 (you gotta love irony!). On three separate occasions I've had employees from that company tell me that the President has told them privately he'd like to see me come back.

My answer is the same: When he fires his Vice-President (who handled all this stuff personally), THEN I would think about it.

This is an example of what I mean when I use traditional "female-speak" to say we sometimes "win," and sometimes WIN. Likewise, we can "lose" and LOSE.

...I will be more aggressive.

Methinks, Mr. Bowman, you're probably way too much like me. This topic uses the term "ninja." Well, we all know who the Ninjas were back in fuedal Japan, right? You and I? Hell, we're more of the in-your-face Samurai types.

That's why, when all is said and done (and assuming people do their homework and really KNOW what's going on--and again, this must be Mr. Stevens' purpose, so good for him!), I have far more respect for my "opponent" (BB, etc), than I do these "patriot/anti-tax" types." BB's "motive" is, well, power and control. Those "groups"? All bets are off, right?

Someday,...

You're right, Mr. Bowman. "He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day."

Oh, and this, and I swear I'll go away: Guess who became my best ally during my tax-battles? A local tax-commissioner! She's absolutely one of the most decent folks you'd ever want to meet. Here's the tragedy: Thanks to me, she now understands her "dilemma." She has seen, up-close and personal, just how abusive her "agency" can be, and is. Yet she does have a "job" to do (business taxes, and so forth). So what does she do now? Nothing. She can't. She could quit, but only she would suffer and nothing would change.

That's how weird all this is....

Later, Mr. B. You be careful out there. It's getting just plain creepy these days.......

Randy
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Old 02-25-2005, 06:12 AM
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I don't have time to properly respond at the moment, but you are oh so right.

HB
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Old 02-25-2005, 06:32 AM
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by Lmntal

...and that is we are human?

Yes

And with that knowledge, comes some responsibility?

Absolutely.

I think some humans have forgotten who they really are,...

Maybe it's that they've never really known, rather than forgotten? Waking from deep, sound, restful sleep can often be the worst part of the day.

...and have accepted themselves into the system,...

Or forced into it. I guess there are two diametrically opposed "forces" at work here. If I use the word "peace," it works out like this:

All of us here would love to see the day when we have more "peace" between ourselves and this "beast." I.E., we want the "absence of conflict." IT wants us to obey, to surrender. We want our autonomy. Hence, we have conflict.

But there's another kind of "peace" involved, that of an "inner peace." Fighting Goliath is demanding, dangerous, and time-consuming, none of which do much for one's "inner peace."

So it's possible--indeed probable--that many of those whom I see every single day, those I am quick to label "zombies," those who seem ignorant and apathetic to the ways of BB...It's indeed likely that many DO know the "truth" and have made a choice. They have chosen "inner peace" over the "absence of conflict" (defined as "peace with others"), and because of this, are merely giving a deliberate pretense of "sheepnish." Maybe they're going through life now with their eyes wide shut?

...feel an obligation to the rest of humanity to disseminate the knowledge they have collected on the journey.

Here's why I have a real problem with "humanity." It's summed up simply enough: Taken individually, I've met no more than a scant few "individuals" with whom I could not get along. Taken en masse, however, or when considering people in "groups," something weird, and dangerous happens. Decent individuals put together in groups become, well, dangerous, every time.

Jesus was a great guy when he was healing and feeding and doing all the rest. Once convinced by others that he was a threat (merely "perceived" threat), the very ones he'd helped were right there, either cheering his crucifixion, or worse yet, doing nothing to stop it.

Socrates (another perceived threat), who said, "I drank what?"

We, when we engage in these battles, we become a "perceived" threat. Indeed, isn't our current "war on terror" nothing more than a war on a "perceived" threat?

So, back to the point (and I know I'm splitting hairs, but I think it is a valid distinction): I don't think it's an obligation to "humanity" (collectively speaking), but rather an obligation to those we love. They, in turn, of course, "spread the gospel" to others which, naturally, makes it a sort of "collective" thing. Really vital here, however, is that part of what we "love" is truth. That IS a thing worth fighting for.

I think that Marc's tactics really just point out the absurdity of it all.

Yeah, that's what I clearly misunderstood. Sorry about that. (The beatings begin at noon, Eastern time....)

Can you fight for peace, or do you peace for peace?

Right. Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.

Randy












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Old 02-25-2005, 01:18 PM
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A fight that's perceived as a peace

I don't believe in PEACE FOR PEACE; but in transmitting the impression of being "pacific". Don' tell me it's dishonest. We are not reponsible for their wrong perceptions!

At this point in our society, there is no way out of FIGHT. I know is sad: WE ARE IN WAR. Of course, I am not talking about the war our president mentions, but to the SECRET, SILENCE WAR WE ALL HAVE TO ENDURE IF WE WANT TO BE FREE.

Our pretended peace is not even the peace of a cementery, soothing, comforting in some way. Instead, we live the peace of a hospital floor, full of silenced and excruciating pains. I am for that PEACE FOR PEACE within this context. I think is smart; confuses them. That's good.
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Old 02-25-2005, 01:43 PM
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by Eureka

....transmitting the impression of being "pacific".

Excellent way of putting it!

Don' tell me it's dishonest.

Not at all.

We are not reponsible for their wrong perceptions!

The same "tactic" used by our "honorable opponents," right? I.E., "ignorance of the law is no excuse." So, assuming for the moment that the IRS Tax Commissioner KNEW the whole thing was a sham but continued to "play along," it's not HIS fault that "we" don't know any better.

That's what makes it all a pathetic game.

It's like this, isn't it? We were taught to be truthful, and honest. We teach our kids the same thing. So what happens when you're having a really crappy day and someone says, "Hey, how's it going?" You answer: "Fine." Why? Because no one cares about the truth.

Randy
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Old 02-25-2005, 03:06 PM
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Take out the word "Ignorance"

Randy,

It's not the same. They want our ignorance to use it as a weapon against us. We are different by wanting US ALL to have the knowledge and the same opportunities. That search for knowledge impplies responsibitily, and lack of it is "no excuse".

See, Randy, it is a different frame of mind. Indolence, apathy, laziness, all these things are the product of a selfish and not responsible mind.

The intentions mark the abysmal difference.They go "pacific" to attack our rights and rob our liberty. We do the same just for the opposite: to rescue our children and THEIR CHILDREN. Same logistic, different motivations.

Chances are I am not expressing my opinion properly.
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Old 02-25-2005, 05:06 PM
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by Eureka

The intentions mark the abysmal difference....Chances are I am not expressing my opinion properly.

Nope. Said perfectly, And you're absolutely correct: It's the motivations, or lack thereof, that are the deciding factor.

And as deeply as I resent those who choose ingorance and apathy (and that's a lot of folks), I will go to my grave positively loathing anyone who takes advantage of the "sheep." Sheep should be shorn, not crucified. I.E., because "bubba" doesn't care about learning these "truths," or is too intellectually unsophisticated to grasp it, in no way is a stamp of approval for the government or anyone else to take advantage of him.

Randy
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Old 02-25-2005, 05:21 PM
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Randy,

Check your email.

HB
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Old 02-25-2005, 07:30 PM
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Randy, Check your email.

Got it. Thanks. Reply on the way.

Randy
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