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Old 03-03-2005, 05:44 PM
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This one...

...went way out of wack... (wacko)!

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Old 03-03-2005, 07:50 PM
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Old 03-03-2005, 08:23 PM
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Henry,

Here's a link to the State of Michigan's Contempt of Court Benchbook for Judges. Im not sure what which state's fictional jurisdiction is railroading you, however the info might help you format a strategy.

http://www.courts.michigan.gov/mji/R...tempt_book.htm

Contempt of court falls into 2 basic types.....direct and indirect and they are both handled differently. Direct contempt happens in front of the judge and here in MI, the judge is empowered to rule summarily. Indirect contempt occurs outside of the court and a hearing is definately required.

Hopefully you will find some helpful info and I might also suggest that a writ of habeus corpus be prepared on your behalf.....after the judge is most likely violating most of not all of your Constitutionally enumerated rights!!!

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Old 03-03-2005, 08:27 PM
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...went way out of wack... (wacko)!

Good luck...
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Old 03-03-2005, 09:40 PM
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Angry Going To Jail For Contempt

I have a friend who is going to jail for contempt. He was ordered to alimony to his ex-wife, who is not disabled, and has paid for 8 years and drained his IRAs to pay 2/3 of the alimony for the last 2 years. He filed a Modification of Maintenance in April of 2004. He actually went to an attorney in the spring of 2003 to see if he could file the Modification of Maintenance and was told that since it had been only three years since his divorce was final that he would have to wait. He lost his job, due to a down turn in the economy (Enron) and it took him 3 months to find a job at 2/3 of the salary that he was making. He presented all this in court, but the judge called him a liar and told him that he had to come up with the back alimony by next month or be held in contempt. I have worked with non-custodial parents groups since the late 1980's and have never seen anything like what this man has gone through. It took him 6 years to get a divorce, during which time his attorney died and the attorney had been paid around $20,000.00. The judge on that 6 year binge stated 3 different court appreances that he would rule in 30 days but never did. This man turned in judge into the review board, which ruled in favor of the judge. 30 days later the judge ruled on the case and allowed the ex-wife's attorney to write the judgment. The legal system took every asset from him and awarded all debts to him. He had to hire another attorney to appeal the case, because the judgement was for more than he earned. He has not been able to find an attorney that will try to get the case turned around. It really looks like he will go to jail next month. Also he was ordered by the judge to sign a "Voluntary Garnishment". He is self employed and refused to sign. That made the judge mad.

I know that there is a lot of this is going on the the family courts. Legislation for men in the family court is basically non-existent. The legislation is vague and open so the judge can do whatever he pleases. I produced a Missouri Bar News Letter from 1996, written by 2 attorneys, one from St. Louis and one from Chicago, who stated that the law clearly indicated that lifetime alimony was intended for disabled men or women. This man has paid child support and college for 3 children, who are all emancipated, and is still paying on the $80,000.00 dollars worth of charges that his ex ran up on credit cards. He will be paying for the college loan for 10 more years.

The judge told him to bad, so sad, you are a liar and will be held in contempt. This man has never even had a speeding ticket or any criminal recorded of any kind. It is hard to believe that the court system has come to be a den of thieves and liars.
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Old 03-03-2005, 09:53 PM
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Anyway, Heres a little excerpt from the MI Judge's Benchbook....


Michigan Judicial Institute © 2000 Page 31
3.14 Disqualification of Judge
As a general rule, a party seeking to disqualify a judge must show actual bias
or prejudice. MCR 2.003(B)(1) and In re Contempt of Rapanos, 143 Mich
App 483, 498 (1985). However, because of the nature of contempt
proceedings, several specific rules also apply.
A. Direct Contempt Proceedings
The judge who witnessed the contumacious conduct in direct contempt
cases should preside over summary proceedings. See MCL 600.1711(1);
MSA 27A.1711(1), and In re Contempt of Warriner (City of Detroit v
Warriner), 113 Mich App 549, 554–55 (1982). However, an independent
judge must preside over direct contempt cases where proceedings are
deferred.
In People v Kurz, 35 Mich App 643, 659 (1971), the Court of Appeals stated
that “in every case where a judge defers consideration of the contempt
citation until after the conclusion of the trial the charge must be considered
and heard before another judge.” See also In re Contempt of Scharg (People
v Godfrey), 207 Mich App 438, 441 (1994), where the Court of Appeals
stated that “Kurz requires a hearing before an independent judge in all
deferred summary contempt proceedings, regardless of the actual
objectivity of the court.”
The Kurz opinion identified the requirement of an independent judge as “the
Mayberry rule,” referring to Mayberry v Pennsylvania, 400 US 455; 91 S Ct
499; 27 L Ed 2d 532 (1971). In Mayberry, the trial judge was subjected to
several personal insults by the defendant, who represented himself in a
criminal trial. The United States Supreme Court concluded that a judge who
is personally attacked in such a manner “necessarily becomes embroiled in
a running, bitter controversy.” The defendant, therefore, was entitled to have
the contempt charges heard by a different judge. Id., at 465–66. Note,
however, that Kurz does not require that the judge be personally attacked
before disqualification. Kurz, supra, at 659.
For contrary views, see In re Thurston (People v Shier), 226 Mich App 205,
209 n 3 (1997), reversed 459 Mich 918 (1998) (the statement in Kurz that
disqualification is required in every case is dictum), and In re Albert, 383
Mich 722, 725 (1970) (Court of Appeals panel is not required to disqualify
itself to hear contempt charges of attorney arguing case before that panel).
Page 32 Contempt of Court Benchbook—Revised Edition
Section 3.15
If the judge who witnessed the contempt is disqualified from hearing the
case, another judge of the same court who was not involved in the
proceedings should preside. MCR 2.003(C)(4) and In the Matter of Hirsch,
116 Mich App 233, 241 (1982).
B. Indirect Contempt Cases
The judge who presided over the proceedings in the context of which the
contumacious conduct occurred should preside over the contempt
proceedings. Cross Co v UAW Local No 155 (AFL-CIO), 377 Mich 202, 212
(1966).
C. Cases Involving Publication of Comments Concerning Court
or Judge
*See Section
5.17 for further
discussion of
criticism of a
court or judge
as contempt.
Where the alleged contempt consists of the publication of comments
concerning a court or judge, the defendant is entitled to have the contempt
proceedings occur in a different court. “In proceedings for contempt arising
out of the publication of any news, information, or comment concerning a
court of record, except the supreme court, or any judge of that court the
defendant has the right to have the proceedings heard by the judge of another
court of record.” MCL 600.1731; MSA 27A.1731.*
3.15 Right to Jury Trial Restricted to “Serious Criminal
Contempt”
There is no right to jury trial in civil contempt cases. Cross Co v UAW Local
No 155 (AFL-CIO), 377 Mich 202, 211 (1971). The constitutional right to
jury trial applies only to “serious” criminal contempt cases. Bloom v Illinois,
391 US 194, 201–11; 88 S Ct 1444; 20 L Ed 2d 522 (1968). In Michigan,
criminal contempt is “petty” rather than “serious” if the penalty does not
exceed six months. People v Goodman, 17 Mich App 175, 178–79 (1969).
See also Codispoti v Pennsylvania, 418 US 506, 515; 94 S Ct 2687; 41 L Ed
2d 912 (1974) (a jury trial is required under US Const, Am VI, for contempt
of court, where the sentences imposed on each contemnor aggregated more
than 6 months).
In United Mine Workers v Bagwell, 512 US 821, 837 n 5; 114 S Ct 2552;
129 L Ed 2d 642 (1994), the United States Supreme Court declined to
establish a line between “petty” and “serious” fines for contempt. The Court
did conclude, however, that a fine of $52 million was a “serious” criminal
fine.
3.16 Applicability of Rules of Evidence
The rules of evidence, other than those regarding privileges, do not apply
during summary contempt hearings. MRE 1101(b)(4). However, in indirect
contempt cases and cases where summary contempt proceedings could have
been used but were not, the rules of evidence apply. MRE 1101(a).

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Old 03-03-2005, 09:55 PM
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The majority of all judges are corrupt bastards (biblical term). Period. Why would I say that?

Because it's true. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The Bible is the trump card on contempt.

Galatians 2:6

I cannot be a person, as I am subject to God's laws first, and the Bible says "Male and Female, created He them." not Person

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Old 03-03-2005, 10:10 PM
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HB,

Its enuf that the servant is as his Lord (aven as He is so are we in this world) they hated Him and murdered Him....we should probably expect the same thing from this present system. and when your obedience to Him in this is complete...He will avenge ALL disobedience. Just like Herod was consumed from within....so also will this judge see his glory turned into shame.
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Old 03-03-2005, 10:20 PM
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Held In Contempt

Reading law is like reading a foreign language. I do not seem to be able to understand the meaning of what is being said.

All that I know is what is being done is wrong and men are going to have to rally together to change the legislation through redress through petition. The laws are devised to take all the money through legal fees and fines, so that one does not have the ability to be properly represented in court.

I read read some appealed case law, ie. foreign language, where the judge ruled that going to jail for back child support was not debtors prison. That is flat out wrong. One is not going to jail for disobeying the judge, no matter how clouded the issue is, one is going to jail for non-payment of support.

When is it right for one adult to be held responsible to support another adult?
Legalized welfare?
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Old 03-04-2005, 09:48 PM
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Civil Contempt

Just went through Helllllll with a process they're using now to get one into contempt. It's a DEBTORS EXAM. They threaten contempt charges even in the ORDER they serve you with. Then they turn on a court mike & have the atty for plaintiff grill you for 45 minutes on everything in your life...it's like a catch ALL drag net. Then they pick through the "testimony" you have given against yourself, YES, boys and girls even after you have invoked you 4th & 5th.....
The Bstrds stop at absolutely nothing..........
Anyone out there have the format or guideline for a good international claim for damages.......In the Admiralty ???
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