I think they skipped a few steps?

[EnSabahNur]

So, for the past several months I have been anxiously awaiting several photo radar tickets to come in the mail.....but none came. I figured after the last ones got sent back cancelled and the legal threats I made to the Director of that court that they would finally leave me alone......well......this took me by suprise.

Yesterday I got 16 letters in the mail from a collection agency all dated for the same day with the "Department of Justice" listed as their client. It seems they just decided to skip a few steps.....like sending me the ticket.....making a plea....going to court.....me responding.....or making a contract......and just went straight to sending some tickets I have never even heard of before straight to collection.

Hmmmmmmmm

Exactly how many laws were broken here, and let's have some idea's here on what I should do about it....the possibilities are positively overwhelming. I'm actually salivating at the thought of where to go from here. From fraud and harassment charges to a serious lawsuit...all done by your's truly.

So, put your thinking caps on and let's see if someone can come up with something nastier than what I am already thinking up.

I'm actually shocked that people could really be this stupid. But then, you think I wouldn't be shocked by much anymore?

[EnSabahNur]

Nobody?

What the heck? Usually atleast Gregtu would have been in here like a dirty shirt. Or is this just a slow week?

Why not write them, certified or registered, and ask them the same thing?

When were you ticketed?

When were you given a due process hearing?

When did you enter into a contract with the Collection Agency?

You know all the questions. Ask them.

If they are close to you, walk in with a recorder on your hip and talk to them (with a witness)

You have what you need to succeed.

Swing the hammer. (As Ice Says)

Please tell me you didn't sign for anything.

If you did, act fast.

[scottinalaska]

They know you are not a debtor to them, but that doesn't stop them from wanting you to act like one.

No arguing their facts. Simply ask for evidence of all the steps that seemed to have taken place in your absence. HB is started a good list. Maybe one letter per question!

Ah, the time these "masters" steal from us will only be used to make us stronger and sharper. So, sharpen your pencil and copy to us what steps you think should be evidenced by this Collections Agency.
Wait, this CA is going on good faith that the Dept of Justice gave them a legitimate bill to collect. Maybe give them the benefit of the doubt and tell them from all appearances, due diligence was not done on this ticket(s) before it was sold to them. And unless they are prepared to be sued for harassment, etc, they would be advised to have these questions answered by those they bought the "debt" from.
It would be nice if SOMEone signed that collection letter. Nothing like making it personal to make someone start moving on it.
scottinalaska

I wonder if EnSabahNur could enlist the DOJ as his/her client, as they do. I guess we also have the power to act out the "intimidation" if we choose to. Not my choice. Just a question.

Or should we refrain from playing their own game in this fashion?

[weishaupt1776]

The photo radar company gets a cut, too.
It may be some kind of rent/royalty deal.
The problem is that the proper parties have not been joined. The photo radar company has a vested interest in this one no doubt.

[EnSabahNur]

Originally Posted by scottinalaska

Ah, the time these "masters" steal from us will only be used to make us stronger and sharper. So, sharpen your pencil and copy to us what steps you think should be evidenced by this Collections Agency.
Wait, this CA is going on good faith that the Dept of Justice gave them a legitimate bill to collect. Maybe give them the benefit of the doubt and tell them from all appearances, due diligence was not done on this ticket(s) before it was sold to them. And unless they are prepared to be sued for harassment, etc, they would be advised to have these questions answered by those they bought the "debt" from.
It would be nice if SOMEone signed that collection letter. Nothing like making it personal to make someone start moving on it.
scottinalaska

Bingo. See, the problem is that as far as this CRA knows they are trying to collect on a legitimate debt, so they are acting on fraudulent information that their client is giving them. So, that would lead me to believe that I have full recourse against the Department of Just-us since they are giving fraudulent claims to a collection agency. This is where I am trying to go with this. I really don't care to ask the CRA to provide certified verification of the debt....this is the first I have ever heard of ANY of these.

But it would be nice to see who signed the authorization to send to collection, since that is the individual I will be able to file a lawsuit against. This one is going to be big, they really **** on my cornflakes this time. I cannot believe they did not even senf me any tickets. I really have absolutely no idea what these alledged fines are about.

I was thinking more of what kind of criminal charges I might be able to try to press. Harassment comes to mind, and Fraud, Obstruction of justice ( I never had a chance at due process *scoff*),

Hmmmmmmmmmmm......like I said, their is just so many ways to go with this. I do think though that it is only prudent to let the CRA know that this is an illegitimate debt and give them a chanve to cease and desist before they become a party to any lawsuit.

I guess what I'm really after is....what can these dillhole's at the Department of Just-us be held accountable for, for not even sending me tickets, fine's, some notice there was a fine, anything at all...before simply sending some debt(s) that I have NEVER heard of at all to a collection company?

I still cannot believe it. I guess they knew I would cancel them, so they did not even send them to me, just straight to collections.

For those who had questions, I just got the demand letters from the collection company 4 days ago now, 16 of them dated for the same day. There is no info about what the amounts are for, only that they are on behalf of the ********* Department of Justice. I have never heard of thse debts before. I have never recieved a ticket, a notice.....nothing at all. I'm guessing they are from Photo radar tickets.....they just never sent me the tickets, or a default judgement, or a requirement to pay, or a final notice, .....just nothing. I can only guess as to what it is about because of the name of the client and the amounts due....a couple hundred dollars on each letter for a different matter.

Whatever happened to 'Due Process'?

Hahahahahahahaha

[rearguard]

Amazing, but somehow I was not surprised - very little surprises me these days.

I think the first step is to gather information without giving back any. Simply get names, find out who is doing this, and what steps were glossed over. Once you have gathered enoughevidence then it's time to go for the juglar.

Me thinks however, they want you in court where they always win. Be carefull and never underestimate these ****s.