No Social Security Number??

[David Merrill]

Dear Readers;


Years ago I went into the Social Security office and told them to revoke or annul my SSN. Whatever they do. The first helper, a woman seemed a bit offended and started treating me like I was doing something wrong, such an unusual request. It was not long before I was speaking with the office manager. He was quite courteous and informed me that the Social Security Administration has no process for getting rid of Social Security Numbers.

He then asked me when I applied for it. I told him when I was about fourteen years old. He asked me how it is that I keep it in existence? I said I write it or say it when people ask, on job applications etc. He suggested that is the process for having a SSN as well as the process for revoking it. Just quit saying it or writing it down.

It took a few months, because I presumed polite as he was, he was giving me elusive doubletalk. But after a while it figured well. He was telling me the truth.

http://www.christianliberty.org/carm...chael_v_us.pdf

Plaintiff also submitted a request to the Commissioner of Social Security to have his social security number rescinded...

Plaintiff also suggested that "[f]or tax reporting purposes, the number 000-00-0000 or the words religious objector may be placed in the ... block.

Speaking for myself, I was not doing this rescission for religious purposes. But would certainly grant that anyone, not being required to have a SSN anyway, could discontinue use of it, even in the military. Without a SSN, there is no Taxpayer ID Number, and subsequently, no reporting requirements.

I find one thing striking about the findings. That a man can have a SSN upon entry even into the military and simply by saying he objects and does not want to have it anymore, actually not have it anymore.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[fulltitle]

Tacit hypothecation apparently works two ways. Also, SSA Form 521 is apparently a way to perfect withdrawal. But the right affidavit needs to be sent along with it (Adask had an article on such).

Apparenlty, right of withdrawal of an application is a basic right. Furthermore, one might do well to make it clear that the application is 'special' whereby presumption must yield to truth; and that it was not done willingly and so forth.

You can also demand that they delete 'applicant' information. Start also writing in red ink "Not deliverable as addressed" on SSA mail. Give affidavits to the DMV so that they know.

[logos]

Could SSN recision be the first step to "taking out" the STRAWMAN?

[David Merrill]

There seems to be a method.

However, I do no subscribe myself. Your right to contract is on the line.

[logos]

David,
How would SSN recision or destroying the STRAWMAN impair one's right to contract? Could you please elaborate?

thanks

[David Merrill]

I think I saw it here. There is a form, affidavit, something from Alfred Norman ADASK.

But you may treat the SSN/SSA as a simple insurance contract. That means why bother rescinding? You have been contributing premiums all this time. So when you get old, grab the benefits. If you have contributed 40+ quarters, so I hear (check it out for yourself), then you are eligible. So after 10 years of contributions you can request you employer quit witholding.

In my case there will likely be a counterclaim anyway - from the IMF/IRS. But with Chevron outbid by China for the Caspian Sea Pipeline, I am quite sure that the system will be a bit different by the time I need it. In other words I am on the President's Honor Roll with a 4.0 GPA in electronics. The truth has treated me well. Suitors generate suitors. People thrive in the truth as courts of competent jurisdiction. I will be okay.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[sonny]

Originally Posted by logos

David,
How would SSN recision or destroying the STRAWMAN impair one's right to contract? Could you please elaborate?

thanks

only living beings can contract not a fictional character such as a strawman

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by sonny

only living beings can contract not a fictional character such as a strawman

Fine. But I can contract through "Shoe Repair" - which is a thing, not a living being.

[fulltitle]

Originally Posted by David Merrill

Fine. But I can contract through "Shoe Repair" - which is a thing, not a living being.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by David Merrill

If you have contributed 40+ quarters, so I hear (check it out for yourself), then you are eligible.

Its just maybe a big investment pool managed by the United States Department of the Treasury. And if you put in 4 quarters who knows if those four quarters became $5K at a slot machine which then funded Intel which then became $5M--so they're like "here's 400 crumbs a week--its yours --we'll keep the $5M".

Re: SSN being like a license. Maybe the SS card is a U.S./federal birth certificate. A birth certificate is perhaps maybe: a license.

But you may treat the SSN/SSA as a simple insurance contract.

Its an insurance fund. The Social Security Administration is basically a Federally chartered financial or insurance company. And insurance companies have been known to invest their funds or hand them over to trustees that will do just that.

The Old-Age and Survivors Insurance Trust Fund is a separate account in the United States Treasury. A fixed proportion (dependent on the allocation of tax rates by trust fund) of the taxes received under the Federal Insurance Contributions Act and the Self-Employment Contributions Act are deposited in the fund to the extent that such taxes are not needed immediately to pay expenses. Taxes are deposited in the fund on every business day.

The trust fund provides automatic spending authority to pay monthly benefits to retired-worker (old-age) beneficiaries and their spouses and children and to survivors of deceased insured workers. With such spending authority, the Social Security Administration does not need to periodically request money from the Congress to pay benefits.

Funds not withdrawn for current expenses (benefits, the financial interchange with the Railroad Retirement program, and administrative expenses) are invested in interest-bearing Federal securities, as required by law; the interest earned is also deposited in the trust fund.

The Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) Trust Fund was created pursuant to section 201 of the Social Security Act Amendments of 1939. These amendments also established a Board of Trustees. OASI became effective on January 1, 1940, and superseded the old-age reserve account established under the Social Security Act of 1935.

The Board of Trustees currently consists of 6 members, 4 of whom automatically serve by virtue of their positions in the Federal Government. These 4 are the
Secretary of the Treasury (the Managing Trustee),
Secretary of Labor,
Secretary of Health and Human Services, and
Commissioner of Social Security
The other 2 members are appointed by the President, and confirmed by the Senate, as required by the "Social Security Amendments of 1983." These 2 members serve 4-year terms.

FICA -> Federal Insurance Contributions Act.