
08-12-2005, 05:44 AM
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Elements of Crime
I know I heard the answer to this question somewhere, I believe I heard Marc Stevens mention this, but still cannot find it anywhere, would someone please tell me How many elements there are in a Crime ?? And secondly what these elements are,
Thanks
Dr Glock
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08-12-2005, 11:32 AM
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Depends on the crime (and the state).
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08-12-2005, 12:15 PM
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The supreme court has held these are the two elements: “The injury alleged must be, for example, "`distinct and palpable,'"…and not "abstract" or "conjectural" or "hypothetical,"…The injury must be "fairly" traceable to the challenged action, and relief from the injury must be "likely" to follow from a favorable decision.” Allen v. Wright, 468 U.S. 737 (1984) (citations omitted) (emphasis added).
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08-12-2005, 12:21 PM
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Well, the main element, which is implied to the court; which the judge knows is :
JURISDICTION!!!!!!
- "Judge, is jurisdiction an element of this allegation?"
"Am I presumed innocent of EVERY ELEMENT of this allegation?"
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08-12-2005, 12:28 PM
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Allen v. Wright was a civil case. Do you have a citation to a criminal case that says that?
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08-12-2005, 12:47 PM
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I thought it was all civil ;)
Henry Franklin
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08-12-2005, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Libertarian
Allen v. Wright was a civil case. Do you have a citation to a criminal case that says that?
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To have standing in Criminal cases (such as torts for example) damages are still required - - homeboyardee.
Even duty breaches are necessary in crim.
I am studying right now w/ afriend involved in a UPL right now and we will be using this once the case is "ripened" with the stench of the American B.A.R thugboyz
HB, you are a sick boy.
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08-17-2005, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by HenryBowman
The supreme court has held these are the two elements: “The injury alleged must be, for example, "`distinct and palpable,'"…and not "abstract" or "conjectural" or "hypothetical,"…The injury must be "fairly" traceable to the challenged action, and relief from the injury must be "likely" to follow from a favorable decision.” Allen v. Wright, 468 U.S. 737 (1984) (citations omitted) (emphasis added).
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Actually, the quoted passage from Allen v. Wright is discussing constitutional standing, not the elements of any particular crime. Libertarian is correct; what the elements of a crime are depend on the crime and the jurisdiction.
A few other notes:
Jurisdiction is not an element of a crime. A court must have jurisdiction over a case in order to hear it, but that's a separate issue. You can contest jurisdiction, but "is jurisdiction an element of this allegation?" is not a particularly useful way to do it.
A tort is a civil matter by definition. There's no such thing as a criminal tort.
My advice: if you want to understand criminal law, pick up a basic handbook like "Criminal Law in a Nutshell," don't believe what you hear on the internet. And if any of this affects you, get a lawyer.
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08-17-2005, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by chapka
And if any of this affects you, get a lawyer.
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ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
Too funny...

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08-17-2005, 12:13 PM
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Attorneys, What a Joke!
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Originally Posted by chapka
And if any of this affects you, get a lawyer
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Originally Posted by HenryBowman
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
Too funny...

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chapka, should give us a keyboard warning.
Two million people in jail (I think the US holds the world record), none of them had attorneys? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
What a joke!
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