Courts and Contract

This is just a little thread to open up discussion about the contractual nature of courts and debtors prison. Im a military veteran, and the way it worked is, i signed a CONTRACT for a number of years of service. If i skipped out on the contract, i would go to prison. This is understood by everyone in the military because its recognized that you are under admiralty jurisdiction when in the military. Ok, so, now to the admiralty courts with the flag. They present you a contract= could be a indictment, a citation, a complaint, which all leads to a charge. Ok, what happens when you dont discharge the charge in admiralty, off to debtors prison. How can people still debate that this isnt whats going on?? Funny thing ive told people for years about the O.J. Simpson thing. I used to wonder how they could find him liable in civil court when he was found not guilty. O.J. himself said the same thing just this week about Robert Blake. Simple, O.J. doesnt know that the charge doesnt go away with a not guilty JUDGEMENT. the judgment is still there, thus, they have the evidence to bring it in a civil case because the charge was never DROPPED which is the same as discharge.

[Shoonra]

The reason that OJ was found liable for a civil lawsuit in a wrongful death suit after being acquitted of murder in a criminal case is simply that (1) civil lawsuits are distinct from criminal prosecutions, and (2) civil lawsuits have a much less demanding burden of proof, and (3) since civil lawsuits involve money and/or property but not prison, they do not constitute double jeopardy following a criminal case (no matter how the criminal case went).

Admiralty law has nothing to do with anything you mentioned.

[Admin]

Good observation, I believe the same just happened to Robert Blake in his case

[fulltitle]

WITHOUT PREJUDICE
Admirality jurisprudence may very well play a role at some level. Also, the reason they might get someone in civil after a criminal trial is because: if the criminal trial "follows through" they may have already 'perfected joinder' by the time they go into the civil case.

If the same statutes (written contract) are being argued as being breeched in the criminal trial then it may very well be that the same bonds are carried over from the financing department.

But indeed, the reason double jeaopardy between civil and criminal may not lie may be because the same bonds and charges are sitting in the back room in both cases.

[Jerseee]

Okay folks you're going down the wrong river.

First, everything is commerce even military enlistment. When a sovereign enlists in the armed forces, its doing so under a commercial nature. Don't believe me? Then ask any personnel that processes enlistments and re-enlistments why does the name have to be in ALL CAPS? They will not process the paperwork if it is not in ALL CAPS--do your research.

Second, the enlistment docs are the source docs for everything else. And what you will find is more regulations, policies, orders, and especially code, such as the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice)--sound familiar? (Uniform Commercial Code)

Third, yoru armed forces are just one of the many tentacles that push FRNs into the public. You can also add that the Post Office is one, Welfare Office, and any other government office that dispenses FRNs and/or their equivalents.

Anything that produces and consumes energy (in any form) is part of commerce. that is what they want people!!!! Your energy and your future labor!!!

Originally Posted by kgod999

This is just a little thread to open up discussion about the contractual nature of courts and debtors prison. Im a military veteran, and the way it worked is, i signed a CONTRACT for a number of years of service. If i skipped out on the contract, i would go to prison. This is understood by everyone in the military because its recognized that you are under admiralty jurisdiction when in the military. Ok, so, now to the admiralty courts with the flag. They present you a contract= could be a indictment, a citation, a complaint, which all leads to a charge. Ok, what happens when you dont discharge the charge in admiralty, off to debtors prison. How can people still debate that this isnt whats going on?? Funny thing ive told people for years about the O.J. Simpson thing. I used to wonder how they could find him liable in civil court when he was found not guilty. O.J. himself said the same thing just this week about Robert Blake. Simple, O.J. doesnt know that the charge doesnt go away with a not guilty JUDGEMENT. the judgment is still there, thus, they have the evidence to bring it in a civil case because the charge was never DROPPED which is the same as discharge.