Liens

[gregtu]

Since banks can't lend credit, wouldn't it be best to have liens on ones vehicle and home removed? Basically, the banks created the contracts with fraud!!! Shouldn't this help with having the liens removed?

that would be an argument. right jerseee?



never argue.



with physical property, getting liens removed is different from that of "pure" credit. you risk your property "stolen," as you probably have read here.



until you know what you are doing in that department - don't go there...



jon

[Jerseee]

After re-reading the posts, I'm still al ittle lost. What are your trying to do?

[Ice]

The contract may be fraudulent but that doesn't help to remove the lien until you ATTACK THE FRAUD. In order for that fact to assist in removing the lien you must prove the contract fraudulent and obtain judgment.



Folks - you must be a bit more detailed when you ask questions. Frinstnce: "wouldn't it be best to have liens on ones vehicle and home removed" -- what lien?? who put it there?? Is that the lien the bank has or are you speaking of the UCC lien used to protect your assets? It doesn't take too much to add a couple words like so: "wouldn't it be best to have "<u>the banks</u>" lien on ones vehicle and home removed".

[gregtu]

Jerseee, I was reading Libel of Review and it states that the liens that banks place on your vehicle and home are not properly filed. I know the contracts are fraud and the will be dealt with in that manner, but my question is since the contracts are fraudulant shouldn't the liens be removed?



I'm not trying to do anything, I'm trying to learn just like you did when you first started out on your journey for freedom. Questions may sound stupid or should have had this or that, but this is how one will learn.

your post was pretty short, so 'twas hard (and still is) to determine exactly what you are trying ascertain...



pretty much any bank loan is a fraud. that's a winnable argument.



however, if you try that in court, you won't win. i know as i was steamrollered.



as ice said - attack the fraud. the way to do it is have the lienholder prove that there is a valid contract. if it can't prove it, the lien can be removed.



in the case of physical property, such a course leads to dispossession of the property as the lienholder will seek to enforce the alleged contract - unless you know what you are doing. once that property leaves your hands, you probably won't get it back easily or even quickly.



so i am merely saying, be cautious and know the entirety of what you are trying to do before actually doing it.



jon

[Jerseee]

Greg,



I never said your question was stupid--I was just trying to understand what you were saying or trying to do. I understand learning can be difficult since I am still learning as well. But clarity is important when asking for information.



Good luck.

[joma44]

Not sure why this thread died out....But I would love to hear more ideas and thoughts on removing liens



"as ice said - attack the fraud. the way to do it is have the lienholder prove that there is a valid contract. if it can't prove it, the lien can be removed. "



we can use a VOD to have the lienholder prove that there was a valid contract. How then can you get the lien removed? so far everything I have come across says that the lienholder has to sign that the lien is no longer valid/paid off etc.

[Ice]

Or a court orders it to be removed.



Use the court. That's what it's there for.