No Injury ? Can Courts Adjudicate?

[Livefire]

Here ya go Beano.....

Oakland County 52nd District Court 3rd division
Case 05-011287-OI

Be sure you take a look at the docs containing the House Fiscal Agency report on traffic revenue and the MtD that has the court take notice of Tumey v Ohio (conflict of interest).

[RickA]

Care to cite the case?

Ticketslayer makes lots of claims to promote a "product" that is specious, at best. In two cases I've seen, the "winner" claimed it was the ticketslayer process, when the reality in one of them was the prosecutor screwed up (in several cases that day) and in the other the officer didn't show up to testify.

While I do agree that the human factor could play a role, could the information provided in the ticket slayer process also play a role?

[Judge Roy Bean]

Originally Posted by RickA

Care to cite the case?

Ticketslayer makes lots of claims to promote a "product" that is specious, at best. In two cases I've seen, the "winner" claimed it was the ticketslayer process, when the reality in one of them was the prosecutor screwed up (in several cases that day) and in the other the officer didn't show up to testify.

While I do agree that the human factor could play a role, could the information provided in the ticket slayer process also play a role?

The convergence of events is conveniently used by the promoters who seek to sell you something when you've done something stupid.

There are days I would long for the ability to whack someone over the head for abject stupidity, particularly when they spout off with idiot legal theories and start claiming the law doesn't apply to them. Unfortunately, stupidity isn't something that can be ruled on.

[weishaupt1776]

So what if livefire posts his docs, JRB? Are you going to say, "Oh well, the cop had to scratch his gonads that day and didn't show up in court" ??

[Judge Roy Bean]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

So what if livefire posts his docs, JRB? Are you going to say, "Oh well, the cop had to scratch his gonads that day and didn't show up in court" ??

One needs to take Internet postings with huge grains of salt.

I would invite people who like to take snippets of information into the realm of investigative journalism and let them discuss what does get published and what doesn't.

I also advise people to not put a lot of faith in things they read in simple "dismissed" rulings, particularly as the years go by.

Let me provide you with an example.

A collector, notorious for pursuing debtors without regard to their actually owning the debts, finally ran into a case where a potentially adverse ruling would have opened the doors to dozens, if not hundreds of other similar cases.

Instead of facing the threat of having a ruling on the matters of law against them, they simply failed to respond to a deadline and let the case be dismissed without prejudice.

That's part of how the game is played. Doesn't sound fair at all, but it works both ways. Debt collector attorneys aren't the cream of the crop. They live on volume, not substance. They will take shortcuts. They make mistakes. Sometimes they get caught. Sometimes they just let things die rather than expend effort. Other times they get so far off into the edge that some Judge finally decides they need to be whacked around (the Katz case in Michigan is one example).

Prosecutors in traffic cases also have a job to do which involves clearing as many cases as fast as possible. Despite what some would have you believe, the NUMBER of cases is as politically important as the potetial revenue from the fines.

The process of chosing what to pursue and what not to often has more to do with available resources than matters of law and evidence.

The system is overloaded. The more overloaded it gets the stranger things will get.

[BOBT12]

Things are strange because the states are not following common law under the guidance of Almighty God (Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania), which is based on injury and intent for establishing crimes.

Instead the states appear to be using unenacted codes, that are passed by some unelected commission. Which are void, based on fundmental law. Thus, there are many more violations to process, which require more rules to ease the burden of the government, and on it goes.

The result is more tyranny for the people who can't know, or follow, all of the rules! Where is the honor in this scam! The states steals Rights, under tricks-of-the-devil, or non-constitutional rules. If these rules are enacted, by the ledgislature, than they are unconstitutional!

[Ice]

Originally Posted by Judge Roy Bean

Instead of facing the threat of having a ruling on the matters of law against them, they simply failed to respond to a deadline and let the case be dismissed without prejudice.

That's part of how the game is played. Doesn't sound fair at all, but it works both ways.

You're right, it works both ways... and for Prosecutors as well as debt collectors. PA's will also allow cases to fall to the wayside because of the threat of a ruling on matters of law that will screw them. Sometimes they won't even act until there has been a ruling in a similar case they may use to support them... even if it still doesn't justify their action.

Originally Posted by Judge Roy Bean

Prosecutors in traffic cases also have a job to do which involves clearing as many cases as fast as possible. Despite what some would have you believe, the NUMBER of cases is as politically important as the potetial revenue from the fines.

And you suggest that they don't dismiss some cases because of the threat of rulings against them? It is possible that they do... isn't it? As a matter of fact, if one were to prove to be a bigger hassle than it's worth, they would dismiss.

Originally Posted by Judge Roy Bean

The process of chosing what to pursue and what not to often has more to do with available resources than matters of law and evidence.

Doesn't "Time Equal Money?"

Ice

[idknow]

Originally Posted by Judge Roy Bean

One needs to take Internet postings with huge grains of salt.
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Instead of facing the threat of having a ruling on the matters of law against them, they simply failed to respond to a deadline and let the case be dismissed without prejudice.
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The system is overloaded. The more overloaded it gets the stranger things will get.

And that's called a "tactical move"

and part of the Art of War.