
03-21-2006, 09:35 AM
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Jury Oath Question?
Has anyone personal or cite-able success in refusing to swear a Juror Oath or any Statute or prosecution for not swearing a Juror Oath?
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03-21-2006, 11:41 AM
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That is a tricky question because of the Trading with the Enemy Act (1917) amended in 1933 to include citizens of the United States like the German national enemy in WWI.
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So be careful from the very start. If you have received a summons to appear for jury duty you are considered a resident in commerce. [The resident Noachide under the Seven Noachide Laws.] In other words the jury commissioner got your address from either voter registration or DMV. Both departments of government require you to register for benefits and privileges.
When I got a summons a long time ago it was for a legal name I was just learning not to respond to anymore. I responded by writing a letter to the jury commissioner saying I was an American citizen, not a citizen of the United States. He wrote back, "Close enough. Appear."*
Watch for a moment before swearing or during the swearing where you swear you are a resident of the State or County of XXXXX. But better yet do not raise your hand. The bailiff or clerk will probably pull you aside or something and that is where you decide whether or not to have your character assassinated at your own hand.
If you are a bible reader consider using Matthew 5:34 and James 5:12.
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Mat 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
Mat 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Mat 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
Mat 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
Mat 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
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Jam 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
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This is about the only change in the Law that Jesus stipulates clearly. And with the advent of Messiah ben Joseph that makes sense. This was the advent of the kingdom of heaven on earth. Read the Gospel of Thomas sometime for more on that:
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And He said: Whoever finds the explanation of these words will not taste death. Jesus said: Let him who seeks, not cease seeking until he finds, and when he finds, he will be troubled, and when he has been troubled, he will marvel and he will reign over the All. "Jesus said: If those who lead you say to you: "See, the Kingdom is in heaven", then the birds of the heaven will precede you. If they say to you: "It is in the sea", then the fish will precede you. But the Kingdom is within you and it is without you. If you will know yourselves, then you will be known and you will know that you are the sons of the Living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty and you are poverty.
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Back to the link to the TWEA. Note the right hand notes about compulsory testimony. Print that out and keep it in your pocket. If you get grief because you wont swear (supposing you do not like the religious angle) then simply tell them that if they will make you the enemy according to FDR's amendments to the TWEA, then you prefer swearing to things escalating and them shooting you or imprisoning you for contempt. That should be interesting even if between you and counsel in chambers. I doubt you will get put in a proposed panel even if they coerce you into swearing.
The entire world's social security systems and banking cartels are dependent upon you not knowing or expressing what I have just shown you. So this is not for the weak of heart. If you are not like me and many folks here on suijuris.net, you better just raise your hand and swear to the State.
Do not count on them taking the TWEA from the Congressional Records in good humor.
Regards,
David Merrill.
* A few years before that when I was fairly conditioned (however that legal name would crash hard drives when plugged into database fields) I was summoned and I was called up into a courtroom. We took a fifteen minute recess after swearing in (which I did, noting the word resident) and when I was coming back the lighted sign said "DO NOT ENTER; COURT IN SESSION". I went back downstairs to explain but was told to sit down. After a while I gave them my pager number and told them I would be in the law library or the public library a block away. The next day the judge called my boss and wondered why I should not be arrested for ducking out of jury duty.
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P.P.S. The proper way to handle the summons if you are a man or woman is to Refuse it for Cause timely and return it to the presenter.
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03-21-2006, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Questionmark_Y
Has anyone personal or cite-able success in refusing to swear a Juror Oath or any Statute or prosecution for not swearing a Juror Oath?
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Contrary to the silliness posted above from Mr. Van Pelt, there is nothing all that complex to consider for an answer.
In the first place, serving on a jury is a duty. Your refusal to serve can result in contempt charges. Claiming you won't swear an oath is is likely to be viewed as nothing more than a goofy attempt to avoid jury duty.
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03-21-2006, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Judge Roy Bean
Contrary to the silliness posted above from Mr. Van Pelt, there is nothing all that complex to consider for an answer.
In the first place, serving on a jury is a duty. Your refusal to serve can result in contempt charges. Claiming you won't swear an oath is is likely to be viewed as nothing more than a goofy attempt to avoid jury duty.
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You can judge that for yourself. If you are a Noachide then you better behave like one. You will probably be in front of somebody like JRB anyway.
You can see his habitual character assassination by misnomer obvious in his consistent lack of character for himself.
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Originally Posted by Judge Roy Bean
Your refusal to serve can result in contempt charges.
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The kindly Judge Roy Bean brings out my caveat, that you better be ready for lack of humor about War Powers to get unpleasant very quickly. You, like many of us when compelled to swear out an oath, will most likely get a knot in your gut telling you that something is very, very wrong. That, if you are sane, is for sure.
Thank you again JRB. You are my very fine agent here, you know. God help us should Judge Roy Bean stop calling me "Mr. Van Pelt" and say out loud, "David Merrill". Look what happened when Agent Smith said "Neo" instead of "Mr. Anderson"...
Regards,
David Merrill.
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03-21-2006, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Questionmark_Y
Has anyone personal or cite-able success in refusing to swear a Juror Oath or any Statute or prosecution for not swearing a Juror Oath?
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if you're a disciple of christ then you have a prohibition in the Gospels to use!
and NO COURT CAN force you to violate it.
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03-21-2006, 04:05 PM
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Doesn't that make Judge Roy Bean the antichrist?
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Originally Posted by Judge Roy Bean
In the first place, serving on a jury is a duty.
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The judge (antichrist) is familiar with explaining to pro se defendants that the jurors are a jury of the defendant's peers. But there are clearly two classes of people recognized by congress. So who are you? Are you Israel, the heir apparent with claim to the original estate? Or are you a Noachide, Idolater or Slave?
http://www.suijuris.net/forum/citize...-noachide.html
My point being that JRB may have you confused with somebody else. If so, then it is your duty to inform the jury commissioner or judge that you are neither a resident Noachide or that your commandment is clear, or both.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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03-21-2006, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Questionmark_Y
Has anyone personal or cite-able success in refusing to swear a Juror Oath or any Statute or prosecution for not swearing a Juror Oath?
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"Do not judge LEST YOU BE JUDGED yourselves. For in the WAY you judge, you will be judged; and by YOUR STANDARD OF MEASURE, it shall be measured to YOU." (Matt 7:1&2)
The perfect resolution to the problem.. religious prohibition from judging others.
Jerry.
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03-21-2006, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jerrypitts
"Do not judge LEST YOU BE JUDGED yourselves. For in the WAY you judge, you will be judged; and by YOUR STANDARD OF MEASURE, it shall be measured to YOU." (Matt 7:1&2)
The perfect resolution to the problem.. religious prohibition from judging others.
Jerry.
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Sure. Works every time. No one ever serves on a jury.
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03-21-2006, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jerrypitts
"Do not judge LEST YOU BE JUDGED yourselves. For in the WAY you judge, you will be judged; and by YOUR STANDARD OF MEASURE, it shall be measured to YOU." (Matt 7:1&2)
The perfect resolution to the problem.. religious prohibition from judging others.
Jerry.
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that verse IS NOT a prohibition against judging.
it's a warning that the judge shall be judged the same and with the same measure that he judges others; read what it says!!!
dont do what Eve did and change the words
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03-21-2006, 06:42 PM
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The Scripture is clear we are not to judge others, however we can be fruit inspectors. The only judge is God Himself.
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Originally Posted by idknow
it's a warning that the judge shall be judged the same and with the same measure that he judges others; read what it says!!!
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This is exactly why we are not to judge others.
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