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Old 03-25-2006, 08:37 PM
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Exclamation BAR after Attorney

http://www.msnusers.com/FloridaBarvAdams/_whatsnew.msnw

I have seen Mark defend himself in court, and he is quite good. The last session i was not at, but it was perceived that he was not aggressive enough and didn't want to rock the boat. Looks like he won't be using that strategy anymore (I hope)

Mos def read his docs as his drafting is very well organized and concise. This is how we need to learn to write.

Looks like The JUST-US System is in full swing, folks
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Old 03-25-2006, 10:14 PM
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B.A.R. after Attorney...

...I think that you may/shall have something there Weis!

Notice these shysters by letting them know that you know about the B.A.R.!

Exposure 101?

"Happy (paper) Trails"
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Old 03-25-2006, 10:33 PM
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...I think that you may/shall have something there Weis!

Notice these shysters by letting them know that you know about the B.A.R.!

Exposure 101?

"Happy (paper) Trails"
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another myth

The word is bar. No periods. It is NOT an acronym for "British Accredited Registry." The idea that American attorneys are secretly agents of the British government is total nonsense and has no basis in reality.

I took my oath in open court. There was nothing secret about it. Here is the full text, straight from the Georgia Bar Association wesbite:

"I, __________, swear that I will truly and honestly, justly and uprightly conduct myself as a member of this learned profession and in accordance with the Georgia Rules of Professional Conduct, as an attorney and counselor, and that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Georgia. So help me God."

And there you have it. No secret handshakes. No weird rituals. We're not the Masons.

The first step to putting down the Kool-aid is realizing that somewhere along the line you swallowed a load of nonsense. The "British Accredited Registry" stuff is one such load of nonsense.


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Old 03-26-2006, 05:35 AM
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UGA, are you one of those glorified paper-pushin' attorneys for a Real Estate Firm or someother firm, or do you sweat it out and hammer out some pleadings which are based on some killer research?
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The word is bar. No periods. It is NOT an acronym for "British Accredited Registry." The idea that American attorneys are secretly agents of the British government is total nonsense and has no basis in reality.

I took my oath in open court. There was nothing secret about it. Here is the full text, straight from the Georgia Bar Association wesbite:

"I, __________, swear that I will truly and honestly, justly and uprightly conduct myself as a member of this learned profession and in accordance with the Georgia Rules of Professional Conduct, as an attorney and counselor, and that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Georgia. So help me God."

And there you have it. No secret handshakes. No weird rituals. We're not the Masons.

The first step to putting down the Kool-aid is realizing that somewhere along the line you swallowed a load of nonsense. The "British Accredited Registry" stuff is one such load of nonsense.


The Lawdog

The Lawdog is telling the truth folks. However you must understand his perspective. I call it bowl-horizon perception. That is to say Lawdog is inside a big bowl and he perceives the rim of the bowl to be the true horizon. Whereas history reveals a much bigger horizon than Lawdog perceives.

The International Bar Association seems to have moved a few blocks from Chancery Lane in the Crown Temple district of the Sovereign and Independent City of London - see attachment. I suppose that was to accomodate bigger and more modern office space requirements. But in spirit I am sure it is still nested where it always was; in the heart of the Crown Templar Society.

The history of the Thirteenth Amendment and its alleged 'disappearance' during the War Between the States is a striking revelation of how the War of 1812 was really the undoing of the Revolutionary War. But that is history on the surface. One can only acquire the sovereignty by conquest that King George III had to give and we all know he lost almost all of that clear back in 1215 - the signing of the Magna Charta. So who acquired that sovereignty of the Crown back then? The Knights Templar who survive today nested in both Rosicrucianism and its organized arm the Freemasons.

High resolution image of the Magdalene: http://friends-n-family-research.inf..._Magdalene.jpg Mary was Levite and forming a new veil for the Temple was an ongoing chore for a team of Levite women; pure women - ergo the inference to Virgins and Virgin Mary. The Veil took as long to braid as it lasted. Therefore Mariam M'gaadlah - Mary the Braider. The early Masons preserved her remains but for ease of transport etc. only her skull and femurs.

So in my opinion Lawdog teaches a very important lesson with his ignorance - silent judicial notice*. Utilize the truth. Understand the facts of history and law better than the deceived man who thinks his oath was sworn in "open court". It has been a precept of Freemasonry since, officially, Adam Weishaupt founder of the Bavarian Seers that the masters of the craft will only teach Lawdog enough about the nature of his character to keep him desiring more. I know this in part from a Mason who reached 32nd Degree and when he wanted the Secrets of the Sanctuary they told him he was not ready yet. So he quit paying dues and going to meetings.


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David Merrill.

* And I am not speaking about some black-robed clown. I am talking about in your court. The truth shall set you free. Do you think after all that tuition paid for conditioning that Lawdog is going to listen to a suijuris education?
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Old 03-26-2006, 08:34 AM
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The word is bar.

(How do you comprehensively and thoroughly define "[t]he word" "bar."

Can you?
If not, why not?

Will you?
If not, why not?
)

No periods.

It is NOT an acronym for "British Accredited Registry."

(It is actually supposed to purport to stand for British Accreditation Regency. Look up each of those terms.

Is your second sentence not an unsubstantiated all-inclusive statement, or has your statement been proven without exception to be a matter of absolute fact, as you have so indicated?)

The idea that American attorneys are secretly agents of the British government is total nonsense and has no basis in reality.

How do you truly and honestly define "idea."

Can you?
If not, why not?

Will you?
If not, why not?


How do you truly and honestly define "total."

Can you?
If not, why not?

Will you?
If not, why not?


How do you truly and honestly define "nonsense."

Can you?
If not, why not?

Will you?
If not, why not?


How do you truly and honestly define "reality.")

Can you?
If not, why not?

Will you?
If not, why not?


Identify the precise method you used to determine how you arrived at the stated premise concerning "The idea that American attorneys are secretly agents of the British government?"

Can you?
If not, why not?

Will you?
If not, why not?


Did no one ever explain to you that in expository writing it is incoherent to make unsubstantiated all inclusive statements?

Your learned profession has "learned" no "secrets" of "persuasive non-expository "argument?"


I took my oath in open court.

There was nothing secret about it.

How do you truly and honestly define "nothing."

Can you?
If not, why not?

Will you?
If not, why not?


How do you truly and honestly define "secret."


Can you?
If not, why not?

Will you?
If not, why not?



Here is the full text, straight from the Georgia Bar Association wesbite:

(Is it published elsewhere, like in a specific, non-codified and identifiable legislative act, Public Law, Statute at Large, or perhaps in the "Constitution of the State of Georgia?")

Is it binding under "law?"


"I, __________, swear that I will truly and honestly, justly and uprightly conduct myself as a member of this learned profession and in accordance with the Georgia Rules of Professional Conduct, as an attorney and counselor, and that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Georgia. So help me God."

(It is likely that there will be some difficulty in "truly and honestly, justly and uprightly" applying fullfilling, and adhering to that oath, in that it is likely that at some point the "Georgia Rules of Professional Conduct," Codes, published opinions of other lawyers, etc., are going to come into conflict with the "Constitution of the United States" and the Constitution of the State of Georgia.")

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ATTORNEY & CLIENT. . . . attorney . . with an obligation to the courts and to the public, not to the client, and wherever the duties of his client conflict with those he owes as an officer of the court in the administration of justice, the former must yield to the latter. Corpus Juris Secundum, 1980, Section 4. See Note.

Note: By definition, the obligations and duties of attorneys extend to the court and the “public” (government) before any mere “client.” Clients are “wards of the court” and therefore “persons of unsound mind.” See client, wards of court.

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CLIENT. A client is one who applies to a lawyer or counselor for advice and direction in a question of law, or commits his cause to his management in presenting a claim or defending against a suit in a court of justice; one who retains the attorney, is responsible to him for his fees, and to whom the attorney is responsible for the management of the suit; one who communicates facts to an attorney expecting professional advice. Clients are also called “wards of the court” in regard to their relationship with their attorneys. Corpus Juris Secundum, 1980, Section 4. See Note, attorney & client.

Note: Clients are “wards of the court,” i.e. “infants and persons of unsound mind.”


And there you have it.

(Yes, I suppose so.)

No secret handshakes.

(No handshakes whatsoever were ever involved, anywhere along the line between matriculation, and that ceremony you took part in in "open court," or have you kept any handshakes a secret in making your statement?

No fraternal bonding?)


No weird rituals.

(Depends upon how one "truly and honestly" defines "weird," "ritual" and "weird ritual."

Can the way in which you seemingly propose to support your physical existence, not to mention the way in which you seemingly propose to define and justify any spiritual existence you might purport to truly and honestly lay claim to, (if any) not be identified as both "weird," and as a "weird ritual?"

There are some spiritual authorities which might suggest I am being generous.
)

We're not the Masons.

(Who are you referring to as "We're?"

Who, exactly, stated that the entity you have not identified is "the Masons?"

Why do you suggest this "notness?"

Since you yourself seem to have herein entered it into the instant case, perhaps you might do some statistical analysis and let us know how many in your "We're" entity are, indeed Masons, and the ratio of the "We're(s)" who are Masons to the "We're(s)" who are not Masons.
)

The first step to putting down the Kool-aid is realizing that somewhere along the line you swallowed a load of nonsense.

The "British Accredited Registry" stuff is one such load of nonsense.

(It is actually supposed to purport to stand for British Accreditation Regency. Look up each of those terms.)


The Lawdog



You might want to consider giving some serious un-learned thought to methodically, honestly, and objectiveley applying some of your own "learned" words of wisdom to your own perhaps somewhat selective and limited perception as to the "reality" of the ways of the world:

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The first step to putting down the Kool-aid is realizing that somewhere along the line you swallowed a load of nonsense.

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David has brought up a good point. And to add to that, the mason "worshipful masters" are going to be on the look out for canidates who in their eyes has the "Right Stuff" so even a 32 degree mason still may not be qualified to be admitted into the realm of the secert degrees. Hence the "all seeing eye" turns a blind eye on the neophyte's struggle to be loosed from the bonds of the "profane" and be able to step into the glowing "light of Lucifer". What a load of rubbish! Amazing how people are willing exchange their eternal destination for some money and power? Back to the point, there are ties to the American Bar and the Temple Bar of London whether people want to believe it or not.
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MRG, you notice in the CJS cite regarding Attorney/Client which you posted, it says "when in the administration of justice. the former must yield . . ."

looks like that pesky word "justice" needs some 'splainin', Ay ???

Could it read as "JUST-US" perhaps?


THe admin of JUST-US?
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MRG, you notice in the CJS cite regarding Attorney/Client which you posted, it says "when in the administration of justice. the former must yield . . ."

looks like that pesky word "justice" needs some 'splainin', Ay ???

Could it read as "JUST-US" perhaps?


THe admin of JUST-US?

LOL

Indeed I did notice that pernicious term, and indeed I felt that some 'splainin' was in order.

Good eyes!!

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