The Saving The Suitors clause sounds awesome and intriguing. I will have to take a look at that.
How about round date stamping the ticket, letter and certified mail receipt?
I am ready to accept the challenge to begin the process. How does one exactly become a suitor? Just by stating so?
The meaning in the law is pretty synonymous with litigant, but in the admiralty that would be better - petitioner or counterclaimant. For instance one can do as they suggest and file an appeal in tax court but that makes you the plaintiff and puts the burden of proof on you.
The 'saving to suitors' clause is the basis for the diversity of citizenship proceedings at Title 28 U.S.C. §1333. Judge Roy Bean attempts to defeat that there is anything different about me by calling me Van Pelt. I have to have a last name like everybody else...
Shoonra is currently demanding a legal or full name of me on the ALL UPPER CASE thread and that effectively is the same thing as JRB's false claim. The clerk of the US district court falsely brands you pro se (representing oneself as an attorney). So at the bottom of the cover sheet we (suitors) defeat that at filing. (attached)
Since by the 'saving to suitors' clause one moves in a court of competent jurisdiction, and the magistrates, even those called Article III judges are taxpayers they cannot be competent to judge, the suitor is the court of competent jurisdiction. So you are right; you may call yourself a suitor and be a suitor. But that begs the question; Can you prove you are a suitor?
If you have filed the Libel of Review in the US district court and have properly published a true judgment resulting from the Treasury agent's default in common law, then you can get a certified copy of that judgment from the clerk of court and prove that you are a court of competent jurisdiction. That is the definition of suitor I am using.
I have walked hundreds of people through the process of filing and sealing judgment against Treasury agents (in a myriad of forms) and the product is that they are suitors (courts of competent jurisdiction). However the product is mainly that they can prove it and after filing the judgment in the county clerk and recorder's office they file it in the US district court too so that they can prove the US has "exclusive original cognizance" of the (foreign) judgment according to the 'saving to suitors' clause.
Therefore pay attention to the example clerk instruction inside the Libel of Review. Anytime in the future the suitor can Refuse for Cause any presentment having to do with Federal Reserve Notes and return it timely to the Presenter while providing evidence a copy has been placed in the LoR case jacket as evidence repository. Title 28 U.S.C. §1333 assures that the US government is responsible to protect the diversity of citizenship and honor a man's God-given unalienable right to say No. Thank you. to voluntary presentments in the future.
If you want me to joinder you with the current suitors in email broadcasts* - sometimes you members here read Crosstalk when I do not want to repeat writing - and wish me to walk you through your sealing judgment in common law, hand me $500 cash in non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes public money - US Notes in the form of FRNs.
* These people are pressing the envelope into remedy in the most imaginative ways all the time. Many gather in regular meetings and there are a lot of conversations and friendships formed and forming. It is the most amazing exponential growth of combinations I have ever experienced anywhere!
Last edited by David Merrill : 01-05-2007 at 06:58 AM.
Today, I received a letter from the Massachusetts DOT saying that my license will be suspended in 30 days if I do not pay the citation plus $55 in "fees". I sent the citation back R4C, certified mail to the Chief of Police (since the officer number and name were unintelligable). I mailed it 12 hours past the 72 hour window (I received thr citation at 1am, does this make a difference?) Anyway, it seems the PD must have thrown it away or not done anything with it. The letter starts off with "You are hereby notified...". It also uses "license/right to operate". Which is it? What to do now?
I am including the text of the letter since the upload function is currently having problems:
THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS
EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF TRANSPORTATION
REGISTRY OF MOTOR VEHICLES
01/08/07
LEGAL LAST, LEGAL FIRST LEGAL MIDDLE INITIAL
XX SOME STREET
CITY, MA 00000
DOB: 00/00/00
LICENSE NUMBER : XXXXXXXXX
You are hereby notified effective 02/07/07, your license/right to operate a motor vehicle will be suspended, by automatic application of law, because you have defaulted on the assessment and fines noted below:
Assessment - 100.00 Offense Date 12/03/06 Default Date 01/07/07 Offense - FAILURE TO STOP / TOWN
Late Fee 45.00 Release Fee 10.00 Total, Please pay this amount 155.00
In order to avoid this pending suspension you must mail your check/money order for the assessment above, with a copy of this notice, to the following address: RMV Citations-Payments, P.O. Box 55890, Boston, MA 02205-5890 or appear at a full service Registry of Motor Vehicles office nearest to you before the effective date of the suspension noted above.
If you fail to comply with these instructions before the effective date of the suspension, your license or right to operate all motor vehicles within the Commonwealth of Massachusetts will be suspended and your right to renew your registration will be denied on that date without further notice.
When your license or right to operate has been suspended, you must immediately cease to operate all motor vehicles until your license or right to operate has been reinstated. During this time, you may not apply for a license or a learner's permit. If you are a non-resident, you must cease to operate all motor vehicles within the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
Note: If your license/right to operate becomes suspended as a result of failing to comply with this notice, at the time of your reinstatement you will be required to pay an additional $100.00 reinstatement fee. Make check payable to RMV.
Anne L. Collins, Registrar
__________________ "In a world of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - George Orwell
Today, I received a letter from the Massachusetts DOT saying that my license will be suspended in 30 days if I do not pay the citation plus $55 in "fees". I sent the citation back R4C, certified mail to the Chief of Police (since the officer number and name were unintelligable). I mailed it 12 hours past the 72 hour window (I received thr citation at 1am, does this make a difference?) Anyway, it seems the PD must have thrown it away or not done anything with it. The letter starts off with "You are hereby notified...". It also uses "license/right to operate". Which is it? What to do now?
I am including the text of the letter since the upload function is currently having problems:
THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS
EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF TRANSPORTATION
REGISTRY OF MOTOR VEHICLES
01/08/07
LEGAL LAST, LEGAL FIRST LEGAL MIDDLE INITIAL
XX SOME STREET
CITY, MA 00000
DOB: 00/00/00
LICENSE NUMBER : XXXXXXXXX
You are hereby notified effective 02/07/07, your license/right to operate a motor vehicle will be suspended, by automatic application of law, because you have defaulted on the assessment and fines noted below:
Assessment - 100.00 Offense Date 12/03/06 Default Date 01/07/07 Offense - FAILURE TO STOP / TOWN
Late Fee 45.00 Release Fee 10.00 Total, Please pay this amount 155.00
In order to avoid this pending suspension you must mail your check/money order for the assessment above, with a copy of this notice, to the following address: RMV Citations-Payments, P.O. Box 55890, Boston, MA 02205-5890 or appear at a full service Registry of Motor Vehicles office nearest to you before the effective date of the suspension noted above.
If you fail to comply with these instructions before the effective date of the suspension, your license or right to operate all motor vehicles within the Commonwealth of Massachusetts will be suspended and your right to renew your registration will be denied on that date without further notice.
When your license or right to operate has been suspended, you must immediately cease to operate all motor vehicles until your license or right to operate has been reinstated. During this time, you may not apply for a license or a learner's permit. If you are a non-resident, you must cease to operate all motor vehicles within the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
Note: If your license/right to operate becomes suspended as a result of failing to comply with this notice, at the time of your reinstatement you will be required to pay an additional $100.00 reinstatement fee. Make check payable to RMV.
Anne L. Collins, Registrar
The technicality of Refusal for Cause 12 hours late may have been noted by the city attorneys. However that constraint is traditionally defined in business days. The UCC as adopted by the State of Colorado speaks of 72 hours.
Jurisdiction was established when you pulled out the driver license. I do not recall if you were posting details at the time but it should be made clear that you are not the entity on the license if you are going to use that trust to identify yourself.
This is the other side of this issue. The letter you have opened up is a notice. If you want to continue on this course you must R4C that subsequent notice. That they are following up the citation with a notice is clear evidence that the R4C functioned as you planned - especially if these details were on the citation.
However that is not necessarily a guarantee that if you keep identifying yourself subject to the jurisdiction thereof (US citizen) you will be in any way immune to revokation of privileges granted from the same.
If you intend to ID yourself with a driver license in the future, you better protect that privilege.
The technicality of Refusal for Cause 12 hours late may have been noted by the city attorneys. However that constraint is traditionally defined in business days. The UCC as adopted by the State of Colorado speaks of 72 hours.
Jurisdiction was established when you pulled out the driver license. I do not recall if you were posting details at the time but it should be made clear that you are not the entity on the license if you are going to use that trust to identify yourself.
This is the other side of this issue. The letter you have opened up is a notice. If you want to continue on this course you must R4C that subsequent notice. That they are following up the citation with a notice is clear evidence that the R4C functioned as you planned - especially if these details were on the citation.
However that is not necessarily a guarantee that if you keep identifying yourself subject to the jurisdiction thereof (US citizen) you will be in any way immune to revokation of privileges granted from the same.
If you intend to ID yourself with a driver license in the future, you better protect that privilege.
Regards,
David Merrill.
I was thinking that I would have to R4C the notice as well. I have read posts on here against opening up mail addressed to the strawman, however I opened it thinking it may be my new license. So I will write R4C on it, have the postal clerk rounddate the R4C, envelope and letter. Should I include a letter or send it anonymous (except for what is on the notice of course).
Should I include a copy of the citation R4C? Maybe that would be too much. Finally, certified mail back to the return address on the envelope or the citation processing address given on the notice? Thank you again.
__________________ "In a world of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - George Orwell
I was thinking that I would have to R4C the notice as well. I have read posts on here against opening up mail addressed to the strawman, however I opened it thinking it may be my new license. So I will write R4C on it, have the postal clerk rounddate the R4C, envelope and letter. Should I include a letter or send it anonymous (except for what is on the notice of course).
Should I include a copy of the citation R4C? Maybe that would be too much. Finally, certified mail back to the return address on the envelope or the citation processing address given on the notice? Thank you again.
I think I have been over it several times here on this thread. In your case, I am not thinking it will save your driver license. But then that card for Identification is an admission to that jurisdiction where jurisdiction is mandatory anyway.
The clerk instruction attached should be enough to show you how to utilize an evidence repository. You might either publish the R4C with the county clerk and recorder or send it to the US Courthouse with a $39 Postal Money Order (get a rounddate on that mention of the filing fee on the clerk instruction - sub in to open a miscellaneous case for $39 MO where the suitor would be mentioning the case #).
Expect more notice. With one fellow they managed to find his email address and started hounding him to respond to a telephone conference where they could make sure he was notified...
It is good that you understand the R4C worked. Otherwise they would not still be trying to notify you.
Well, i'm writing this because, I have personal experience and done some research and have a freind that does it all the time. Go here: http://www.1040.com/DynamicNews/main.asp and download a 1040-V Payment Voucher (under Form 1040) certifcate from the site. After you've done that you go to the clerk and say, "I'm here to make payment. Here is a payment voucher". Put your SSN, your address IN ALL CAPS , and place name in ALL CAPS. EVERYTHING in caps on the voucher. If, he/she give's grief ask for his/her boss.
More then likely you should be good. To put a nice angle on it (done it myself) send it via notary protest. Put a "stamp" on the back with a signature (Note: Blue, purple, or gold is fine.) on the back right hand with your SSN on the top right hand corner of the form. They are commiting a FRAUD by accepting your offer and you can prove if through the notary public if, they were naste towards you.
Anyway, the "payment voucher" CAN ONLY be used MUNICIPAL ACCOUNTING (i.e. city tax, court fee's, public "offerings", state loans, assumed judgements, civil assesments, ect ect.). It CANNOT be used for CORPORATE ACCOUNTING (i.e. federal taxation of property, surplus spending (unlimit credit access), credit cards [possiable. never tried], personal loans [their use as an off-set to their accounting pratice's. corporations are good for double dealing], personal finance). It is a very simple tool I have used for the last few months.
Well, i'm writing this because, I have personal experience and done some research and have a freind that does it all the time. Go here: http://www.1040.com/DynamicNews/main.asp and download a 1040-V Payment Voucher (under Form 1040) certifcate from the site. After you've done that you go to the clerk and say, "I'm here to make payment. Here is a payment voucher". Put your SSN, your address IN ALL CAPS , and place name in ALL CAPS. EVERYTHING in caps on the voucher. If, he/she give's grief ask for his/her boss.
More then likely you should be good. To put a nice angle on it (done it myself) send it via notary protest. Put a "stamp" on the back with a signature (Note: Blue, purple, or gold is fine.) on the back right hand with your SSN on the top right hand corner of the form. They are commiting a FRAUD by accepting your offer and you can prove if through the notary public if, they were naste towards you.
Anyway, the "payment voucher" CAN ONLY be used MUNICIPAL ACCOUNTING (i.e. city tax, court fee's, public "offerings", state loans, assumed judgements, civil assesments, ect ect.). It CANNOT be used for CORPORATE ACCOUNTING (i.e. federal taxation of property, surplus spending (unlimit credit access), credit cards [possiable. never tried], personal loans [their use as an off-set to their accounting pratice's. corporations are good for double dealing], personal finance). It is a very simple tool I have used for the last few months.
See what they'll do with it. Let me know their response. They won't ignore or refuse a tax "voucher" if, they have the right sence..
Regards To All,
Phil
Without Recourse
Does anyone else have a handle on this? Is it real or crap? Why would anyone but the IRS accept a 1040 form? I know that everything is under admiralty and everything is commerce and contract, but I fail to see how courts are connected in this case. Thanks.
__________________ "In a world of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - George Orwell
I think I have been over it several times here on this thread. In your case, I am not thinking it will save your driver license. But then that card for Identification is an admission to that jurisdiction where jurisdiction is mandatory anyway.
The clerk instruction attached should be enough to show you how to utilize an evidence repository. You might either publish the R4C with the county clerk and recorder or send it to the US Courthouse with a $39 Postal Money Order (get a rounddate on that mention of the filing fee on the clerk instruction - sub in to open a miscellaneous case for $39 MO where the suitor would be mentioning the case #).
Expect more notice. With one fellow they managed to find his email address and started hounding him to respond to a telephone conference where they could make sure he was notified...
It is good that you understand the R4C worked. Otherwise they would not still be trying to notify you.
Regards,
David Merrill.
You think I don't have a chance to remedy this?
The way I see it, I opened a discussion by way of returning the citation Refused For Cause and the State has fallen silent. They have sent me a notice of future suspension. Again, not engaging in discussion - or is it? And still, no remedy is being offered.
I want to follow the rest of the procedure by sending this notice back R4C, this time to the Registrar herself along with a copy of the citation R4C and the certified mail receipt. Then file this evidence with my county court clerk. If I just give up and pay the $155, my insurance goes up and I have accomplished nothing except for now, I would have a dirty record and contempt for the original violation. USPS resumes business tomorrow after the holiday, 72 business hours expires around Noon.
Thanks so much.
SUS
__________________ "In a world of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - George Orwell
The way I see it, I opened a discussion by way of returning the citation Refused For Cause and the State has fallen silent. They have sent me a notice of future suspension. Again, not engaging in discussion - or is it? And still, no remedy is being offered.
I want to follow the rest of the procedure by sending this notice back R4C, this time to the Registrar herself along with a copy of the citation R4C and the certified mail receipt. Then file this evidence with my county court clerk. If I just give up and pay the $155, my insurance goes up and I have accomplished nothing except for now, I would have a dirty record and contempt for the original violation. USPS resumes business tomorrow after the holiday, 72 business hours expires around Noon.
Thanks so much.
SUS
I think you missed my point. R4C is your remedy. You cannot impede commerce. Therefore expect that every time you defeat the process with a R4C, you will get a subsequent notice. At least for a while.
I suggest Registered Mail and attaching the Certificate of Mailing (.95 stamps and a rounddate cancellation). I believe I have suggested an evidence repository too.
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