CHILD SUPPORT remedy - Page 2

Ice · #11 11-11-2003, 08:03 PM

sui juiris,

I did not imply that she was a fool for wanting to receive financial assistance from the father of the child.& I said: "Anyone that seeks the courts intervention in their personal and family&relationships is a fool."& The problem is that people don't TALK TO EACH OTHER ANYMORE.& Everyone seems to be brainwashed into thinking an attorney needs to speak for them.& Or, maybe it's just easier to hurt someone when it isn't really YOU doing it?

To All:

Whatever happened to the "Private Remedy" everyone is so quick to use on banks, collectors and such?& I still hold to this:& We do not need the courts involved in our family life - AT ALL!& Note the additional statements in my above posts that reference our Creator and my implied advice to seek HIS counsel.

Remember this, we are all responsible for our own actions. If a woman decides that she wants to leave her man because she wants to live closer to her "mommy" (yeah, right... like that's what she wants) then she should leave ALL - including her children - behind.&(This was my personal experience --&she actually wanted to be closer to a few other guys.&Ain't the husband the last one to find out?) &In cases of abuse - we do have the right to own firearms for our protection.& I'm not advocating MURDER... a weapon can disable a man that is in the act of committing abusive crimes against his family.&(Remember this, he will answer to his Creator for his actions.)

I could tell you personal stories that would make you think real hard about this issue... and clue you in that most fathers are not "deadbeats".& Some withhold support as a tactical manuever due to visitation problems (which is a really bad move by the way).& The one reason that is at the bottom of the list of the most reasons support isn't paid is "don't give a care about anyone else but me".& But that reason seems to be the one that people think is at the top of the list.

But let's look at what BB does to assist.& If support payments are not made - POOF! - kiss the DL goodbye.& Now, how can a man hold a job to make the payment if he can't get to the job?... What if he drives for a living?& I'm telling ya, I just can't get over how freaking smart BB is when it comes to looking out for the welfare of the child.& When BB is involved it is not about anyones welfare... it is about control...&BB's control over you. (And I don't just mean the non-payer).& Here's another one for ya, in most states the custodial parent can go straight to the Prosecutor, swear that she hasn't been paid (even after having received a check 2 days prior) and have a warrant put out... free legal aid with the full force of the gov. guns behind it.& But the non-custodial parent is left to fend for him/herself... anyone know what attorney fees are these days?

TO ANYONE:& PLEASE TELL ME HOW ANY OF THE ACTIONS WITH THE USE OF THE COURT WILL MAKE THE SITUATION BETTER?& I haven't seen it get better for anyone yet.& I know men that have lost their jobs because of child support garnishments. (The employer always claims some other reason that is so easily rebutted... but the deal is they don't want to mess with the garnishments.& There is a company out here that won't hire you if you have any sort of BAD CREDIT... imagine that!) I know a woman that went to jail, couldn't get bailed out, lost her job, her apartment and all her possessions with it.& How does getting the court involved make anything better FOR THE CHILD? Imagine what the above womans visitations are like... she didn't even have a home.

NOW TAKE A LOOK AT PEOPLE.& How does it affect the child that overhears any negative conversation about a parent -- terms like "deadbeat" and "he don't care"...&SAYYY,&that really helps a child determine his future!!& What a way to mold the minds of the next generation!!

All this talk is not going to change anything... only YOU can change YOUR LIFE and the situations you find yourself in.& You can make enemies of the people in your life or do whatever is necessary to stay on good terms.& I would suggest a healthy dose of Spiritual aid... a bit of tact in dealing with others.& We should not be waging war with each other.

Now, can we get back to working on keeping the government out of our life?

&

FlunkyNoMo · #12 11-11-2003, 10:05 PM

Sui Juris- A few posts back you directed comments to me, it wasn't me but you must be a mind-reader because I was iching to say something.
As a child of divorce and the on going battles that resulted, my life bears witness to the wounds I suffered. At 38, I've had numerous relationships that failed miserably. I made the choice to NOT have children until I had a safe and stable enviroment to offer them. This may mean that I never have an opportunity to have children, so be it!
As far as BB being involved in our personal lifes,&I am opposed! However.....I am accountable and responsible for whatever damage I cause, there is no need for them to legislate my accountability or responsibility.
Reference was made to a post at TSN. I believe it was there that a man that was in the rears on his child support offered the court a bill of exchange/exemption (I don't have much understanding of either) to discharge the debt. It was accepted and the mother was written a check, by the court. IMHO this would be a better use of our knowledge.
It scares me that those who don't have Yahweh's laws written on their hearts are using these processes to dodge what is proper and good, not that they need BB to dictate doing the right thing.
Given the choice between $78.00 a month or a father, what CHILD would choose the money?
It is disgusting to me that two people that have the physical maturity to produce children can't come to an agreement over the least important factor ($$$) in the raising of a healthy, happy, well-adjusted child. $$$ doesn't make the acorn a mighty oak, its the care it receives when it is young that is the&determining factor. Children are trampled by this foolishness.

FNM

Jerseee · #13 11-11-2003, 10:45 PM

To all,

Good luck in all your endeavors and live in grace.& May all of us find peace and serenity within ourselves.& there are a few deadly sins that are being tossed around&in the soil of relationships here and what you reap is what you sow.& Even a good seed can go bad.& I know the grass maybe greener on the other side---but if we took care of our grass, it would be just as green.

This is the type of environment that BB wants.& men versus women, black versus white, tall versus short, children versus parents, money dividing relationships, they start the conflict then come in and&referee and charge you and I a fee for doing so.

Just as my ex-wife could not see it then but, can see it now---some help we got.& God forbid we as adults make bad choices about who we want as a life partner and then one of us (out of hurt or anger) goes to BB willingly to spite the other and cause some form of torture, pain, humiliation, financial ruin or whatever to the other (then to later regret it).&

I'm outta this thread because this very topic could cause a terrible infection to the forum and inpair my ability to assist another member that may not agree with my philosophy about this.& I know we are all adults here but,&being human and flawed has its advantages&for BB---because BB knows that PRIDE will keep us divided and at each others throat.But just&a little humility on both sides could bridge even the widest gap.&

I wish you all well in this thread, if anyone needs me I'll be outside beginning construction on a bridge, any help will be much appreciated.

#14 11-12-2003, 08:22 AM

the problem, in which any intellectual can see is this. the states are using child support as a means to circumvent constitutional rights. once they start there, they will go to other areas of your life. they dont give a u know what about the children. its a devil tactic of reverse psychology. how can u take care of your children in jail? without a drivers license? without a professional license? they encourage non custodial parents to be irresponsible because they know the courts will run the noncustodial parent into the ground. i saw a article where maximus child support collection agency in florida was paid 2 million dollars by the state of florida to collect past due child support. guess how much maximus collected? 5 thousand dollars. ha ha ha. its all a money scheme. david mastran the ceo of maximus is one of the top 3 wealthest owners of a private corporation in the us and george bush has connections to him, the father and the son. wake up america, they care less about your child, its modern day debtors prison in disguise

suijuris · #15 11-12-2003, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FlunkyNoMo

Sui Juris- A few posts back you directed comments to me, it wasn't me but you must be a mind-reader because I was iching to say something.
As a child of divorce and the on going battles that resulted, my life bears witness to the wounds I suffered. FNM

Goodness! I could have sworn I saw your screename.... but after going back and looking, it was Easyroad I was trying to reply to. I suppose it is time to go back to the eye doctor! I am not a mind-reader as you suggestetd,&but I guess I will need to learn how if I go all the way blind!

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suijuris · #16 11-12-2003, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerseee

I'm outta this thread because this very topic could cause a terrible infection to the forum and inpair my ability to assist another member that may not agree with my philosophy about this.& I know we are all adults here but,&being human and flawed has its advantages&for BB---because BB knows that PRIDE will keep us divided and at each others throat.But just&a little humility on both sides could bridge even the widest gap.&

I wish you all well in this thread, if anyone needs me I'll be outside beginning construction on a bridge, any help will be much appreciated.

Jersee,

Well said! I will withhold my opinions on this issue because this is a personal issue which I have no personal experience with. Since I am quite young, the ideas I have on this subject could all turn out to&be&wrong.

Hopefully we all can put aside our personal feelings, like Ice said, and get back to the topic. I suggest that anyone who wishes to debate this issue do so in the general discussion thread.

And&remember, this site is people about helping each other and sharing useful knowledge, so please keep that in mind.

Sui Juris

4Integrity · #17 11-12-2003, 11:23 AM

Thank you Sui Juris, thank you Ice and others.

I will attempt to bring more clarity to the situation but first...

Phase two, I beleive should be an Administrative Notice to the judge in his personal capacity establishing that he does not have immunity in the situation. I went back to court again the same day and tried to get the court report and after they sent us here and there, we couldn't get one. They said it wasn't ready. Personally, I think that there won't be one so the Administrative Notice will be written documentation of the hearing.

Now, since some seem to think that ones man hood is questionable, "judge not, lest ye be judged." After being shot at by her current boyfreind, who seems to be egging her on and by the way accompanied her to the hearing, the plot thickens. We'll keep it right there though because it's none of anybody's business. Just like Sui Juris stated, let's realize what is going on here.

I AM WHO I SAY I AM, NOT WHO THEY SAY I AM. I refuse to be referenced as or be responsible for any fictitious form of my name.

I am new to CTC3 but I have a buddy of mine (4integrity) coaching me through the whole thing. My name copyright was just sent out and my FS is in progress.

#18 11-12-2003, 08:58 PM

I might as well join the fray. A little different angle though. Let’s do the exclamation first. That should be OK because I don’t see any place in the bible that says the eleventh commandment is “Thou shalt be politically correct.”
Easyroad:
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Excuse me! Did the “lady” not also drop her drawers? Did she not get pleasure? Are not most of the anti-kid products for females? In this day a woman only hatches a kid because she wants one.
When there are no males left there will be no fight. BB will have won! There are many ways to kill off the males. One of those is make them into p**** whipped wimps. BB has been doing a great job of exactly that. If we had our men back, real men, we wouldn’t even have this forum. The men would have wiped out the Society Of Birdwatchers a long time ago. Recall! They did it in the late 1700’s. Ladies, do you suppose the women back then supported their men or considered them enemies? Do you think maybe getting free of the English made the women a better life as well as the men?
There was a time when marriage was sacred and what is in our drawers was sacred. The courts along with CIA Gloria and a few others have 1. Convinced the women to be sheep. 2. Follow them. 3. Men are the enemy. Women, what are you doing sleeping with the enemy? That is treason! 4. Shown the women how to get whatever they want by ruining men, financially and otherwise. 5. Taught women that the easiest way to accomplish the diabolical task is to use their high priced, golden p****.
I agree! The problem is not the women. The problem is the men that have allowed BB to use the women to mash them so low that they are now equipped the same as the women.
Why aren’t the rest of the “men” in this nation on this forum? Answer: There aren’t any or many anyway.
Go ahead, I have my body armor on.
Jim

Michael_Olson · #19 11-13-2003, 06:00 PM

Jim,

& You are the MAN. :mrgreen:

goldphoenix · #20 11-23-2003, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SuiJuris

Ice, It is possible that this was in fact the the ladies' last resort... and while it is a step I do not support, I do not think she is a fool for trying to secure some support from a responsible party who refuses responsibility... it may be the only way she thinks it can happen. But court is definately not the right way to solve family problems, it will probably only distance her and the child even more from its father.

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Hi all,

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I'm new to the forum. Greetings.

this may be stated further on in the thread, however, as I read through I'll find out. Forgive me if I repeat what someone may have already stated.

The child support system is set up in such a way that if&the&custodial parent of the child is&receiving benefits,&the enforcement agency&attempts to force&the custodial parent to&pursue the obligor, and if they do not, their benefits become contigent on this act or lack of. The only way for the custodial parent to back out of the obligation to pursue the noncustodial parent's support is by saying they would be a danger to the child. Even then, they may still go forward, and simply hide the personal information of the obligee in the documents served to the obligor.

Just wanted to toss that info in there.

Freedom and peace,

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Paul