CHILD SUPPORT remedy

[4Integrity]

Secured Correct Spelling= Secured Party's real name
Strawman Wrongname= Fictitious entity they were trying to access (and it wasn't in ALL CAPS either)

The story begins in Georgia where you have to file ALL Financing Statements with the Superior Court of the County. Secured Party sent FS into that court. A day later, Secured Party was served with a NOTICE OF HEARING re Child Support from the sherrif, which came from the SAME Superior Court. Secured Party got a notary to return the NOTICE OF HEARING back to the Sherrif’s office with an Affidavit of Truth declairing the proper spelling of Secured Party’s name. On the day of the hearing, Secured Party entered into the court. Here is a play by play of said hearing:

JUDGE Called MOTHER and she approached the bench. Judge asked, “this is a case between you and Strawman Wrongname?”
MOTHER said “yes and he’s in the back.”
JUDGE Called out “Strawman Wrongname”
Secured Party: “I represent Strawman Wrongname, my name is Secured Correct Spelling. I have a sworn Affidavit with the complete spelling of my name which is Secured Correct Spelling.” (Secured Party handed Affidavit of Truth to bailiff)
JUDGE: (After reading the Affidavit) “Who are you?”
Secured Party: “I am Secured Correct Spelling.”
JUDGE: “I don’t give a hell what your name is, do you have a baby by this girl?”
Secured Party: “Strawman Wrongname does not have a baby by this girl.”
JUDGE: “Forget all this, you standing in front of me, do you, do you have a baby by this girl?”
Secured Party: “Who are you referring to, are you referring to Strawman Wrongname or Secured Correct Spelling?”
JUDGE: “If you do not want to go to jail today, you will answer my question. You standing in front of me, do you have a baby by this young lady?”
Secured Party: “Who are you referring to, are you referring to Strawman Wrongname or Secured Correct Spelling?”
JUDGE: “You can take him to jail and let him back up when he’s ready to talk to us.”
Secured Party was escorted to jail by the bailiff. Secured Party was told by the jailer that the court was prepairing paperwork to serve him. Secured Party was in jail for two (2) hours before finally speaking to the sherrif, asking him that since there were no charges, why he couldn’t wait upstairs. Ten (10) minutes later, the the jailer came back and said that Secured Party was free to go. They let Secured Correct Spelling out of a side exit from the court and no papers were served.

All comments and input are welcome…..

PHASE ONE COMPLETE!

[Jerseee]

Good Job.& What are the other phases--if any?

[suijuris]

Great - sounds like you are on the right track.

"JUDGE: “You can take him to jail and let him back up when he’s ready to talk to us.” Secured Party was escorted to jail by the bailiff."

Hmmm... did they ever tell you why you went to jail? Contempt? I

I think that could have been avoided, but it could have been longer. That is not really the point though.

[Ice]

It sounds to me like you were kidnapped and held against your will.& I would think about looking into that just a little deeper.


Could we have some more details?& Is the mother your ex-wife or ex-girlfriend?& Was this an initial child support hearing... one in which the woman has enlisted the assistance of the court in order to reach into your wallet?... or, is there an outstanding order for payment of child support?& I could assume that this is an initial hearing ... but I&don't like&to assume.


If this is an initial hearing I would like to suggest that you do whatever it takes to get the woman to understand the role of government does not include interferring in your&relationship and that by inviting them into the relationship she is making the child a "ward of the court".& She will be subjecting herself and the child to the will of the court in much more than just "child support".& As far as that child is concerned, if she makes anything that "they" consider a wrong step, she is screwed!& You have seen stories about how people are thrown in jail for disciplining their child?


Do whatever it takes to remain on friendly terms with the woman and take the opportunity to keep the court out of the relationship.& Share your knowledge with her.& Let her see what is really going on.& And try not to come off as some "conspiracy nut" as you attempt to explain the real deal.& Wouldn't it be nice to not have to argue about visitation and all the crap that goes with it, and take the opportunity to teach the next generation the ways of freedom?& If you need to mend fences with the woman, I would suggest that you make the attempt.& (yeah, I know it can sometimes be a very difficult task... and may take some time... never expect it to happen overnight.)


I can understand seeking "remedy" in court for some things, as a last resort... but this is not one of them.& Anyone that seeks the courts intervention in their personal and family&relationships is a fool.& It is one way of telling the gov. that you are incompetent and can't make proper decisions in your life.& But, more than that, it is an affront to the Creator.& It is akin to putting the gov. above HIM.& Why place your faith in the gov. when your faith can be placed in HE that created you?& Who's your master?& Who's your King?& So, where should you seek help in these personal matters?& It may be worth your while to make that point.


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To all,


This is one area that just steams me!!!!& Why is it that&men are so willing to make the babies, do the deed, you&EXPECTED your TWO MINUTES worth from her, which is a chance of creating a baby, and yet, do not want to be held accountable or responsible?& Why is this?& You expect to just be able to walk away and not have to pay anything.& Is this really fair?& The woman is left to take care of, fully, all financial and emotional affairs of this child.& MEN SERIOUSLY NEED TO GROW UP!!!!!!!!& Literally.& I'm sure the reason she took it to the court level is because he has not been willing to share in the responsibility financially in regards to THEIR child.& If you don't want a child, then take action to stop this from happening, vasectomy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!& The most sure way to stop this from happening.& Children are expensive, all the way around.& I know, I have one.& He is 12.& He is my step-son actually, and I have been taking care of him since he was 4-1/2.& Up until a year ago, his biological father paid nothing, absolutely nothing.& Know how much I receive now?& $72.00 a month, no kidding.& This is enough to maybe buy 5 days worth of food!!!!!!!!& Where does the rest of the month come from, ME and his MOM, not his biological father!!!!!!!!& Look at all of the expenses included.& Kids grow rapidly and can stay in a pair of shoes for maybe 4 months, if you are lucky.& Shirts you can buy a little large and they can stay in them for 6 months, if you are lucky.& Pants, 6 months at most.& Thank goodness for second hand stores.& The expenses of just this one child is approximately $500.00 to $600.00 a month, year round.& This is&NOT including daycare, medical bills, dental bills, extras (school supplies, toys,&sports activities, going out with friends, the usual kid things).& As they grow older, the more expensive it becomes.& Five years ago, the cost of a baby in that first year was no less than&$10,000.00 with no difficulties encountered.& Daycare alone can run $300.00 to $400.00&PER WEEK!!!!!!!& When are MEN going to step up to their responsibilities?& You helped create it, you need to be a MAN and take care of it.& Place yourself in the&woman's shoes.& How can she afford to take care of the bare necessities and work, when daycare alone would eat up her entire paycheck??????!!!!!!!& Yet, she needs to work to be able to care for this child.& MEN who duck out on child support are truly pathetic and are not MEN.& They are&BOYS trying to avoid responsibility.& You are not a DAD either, as Dad's, regardless if they are blood or not, truly take care of their children (blood or not) and care about the wellbeing of that child.& Any male, once they can sexually reproduce, can become a FATHER.& It takes a true MAN to become a DAD!!!!!!!!& Even if you have bad feelings with the mother, the main concern should be the child's wellbeing, not your own emotional revenge against the mother.& Step up and be a Man, son.& You have a lot of growing up to do.& I'm sure if you would have paid her support and been helping, court and jail&are not where you would have ended up.&


Key questions:& Was your father a dad?& Or, did he do the same thing your are doing now?& Are you really following the path which makes a better life for that child?& Is this the legacy you choose to leave behind when you are dead and gone?& Or, will you step up and make sure your legacy is one, someone can hold in HONOR, PRIDE, and look up to?& If it is a generational thing in your family, happening to you, happening to your mother, happening to whomever, are you going to choose to be strong and stop that cycle?& If not, continue what you are doing.& Karma has a wonderful way of coming back around and paying us visits!!!!& No escaping that, no matter how many battles in the court room you may win.& Spiritually, you will pay the biggest of all prices.& That little girl deserves a dad.& Step up and be one already.&

[Ice]

I'm sure that most of us understand the expense involved in raising children.& But to accuse anyone of NOT WANTING TO CARE FOR THEIR CHILD without having FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE of that fact isn't really fair.


How many women would agree to the father having custody?& Not many.I'll let you mull over the main reasons for that. &Did you know that more than 50% of fathers could have custody of their children?& They just don't want to fight over it... they figure it's another lost cause due to the brain washing that has everyone thinking that children are best left in their mothers care.& I believe that children need both their parents.


But that isn't the point.& The point is that the government has no place in our personal relationships.& We are not here to judge others.& We are here to assist in maintaining our freedoms, to assist in reducing government intervention in our lives.& Note my post above.& My point is this:&if we cannot work these things out on our own we will NEVER get the gov. out of our personal affairs.


IF ANYONE BELIEVES THE GOVERNMENT HAS ANY RIGHT TO INTERFER IN OUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS THEN THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THEM TO BE.


&

[suijuris]

Ice,
It is possible that this was in fact the the ladies' last resort... and while it is a step I do not support, I do not think she is a fool for trying to secure some support from a responsible party who refuses responsibility... it may be the only way she thinks it can happen. But court is definately not the right way to solve family problems, it will probably only distance her and the child even more from its father.

FNM,
I agree that men who father a child need to be responsible for it, but I do not believe that BB has any business in enforcing this. If we give them that power, than we may as well tell them to dictate who can and can't have children in the first place. (sound familiar?)
I know this is a touchy situation for you, and I do not blame you one bit for venting. When people run out on their family responsibilities, it makes me sick too... however, the young lady bringing the court action against 4Integrity may not wany him in her life at all, she may just want his $$.

4Integrity,
I think all of us would like more details re the court action & imprisonment.

I guess I am an apologist today...
Sui Juris

[Jerseee]

Easyroads,


First and foremost I am in agreement with Ice on all points.& With that said, I am more than qualified to post on this subject.


I am very capable of taking care of my son but, when the mother ran straight to the court house to seek what she wanted----she got it.


She wanted me out of her life but at the same time wanted me to maintain a relationship with my son on a part time basis.& She got it.&


As with all things, time sets in and reality comes to life.& Needless to say, she is as bitter as you appear to be and I am not saying that you and her are the same.& I am talking about for better or for worse.& Of course not every marriage should be worked on but, the choices we make are our own and when things go wrong, the government can't fix it---it can only profit from our inability to solve our own problems.


What I am saying is, I understand your position and I empathize as well.& But most men are not happy that they are separated from their children.& Now in my case, I will not go near or visit my son without first letting a family member know that I am going.& You see when you get big brother involved things change and automatically the man is the bad guy or the woman would have never requested the court's services.


I hope things work out for you and your family but, most men would rather have their children than to have all the drama that third party interlopers bring into a relationship.& Why ask a man to take care of his responsibilities when you have already asked big brother to do so?& A man wants to do the right thing but, when you allow a man to be irresponsible---he will be.


I don't want you to take this the wrong way but, it appears that you don't believe that a man can take care of his child without the help of BB.& Of course I don't speak for all men, this is just my opinion.

Ice, I really like what you said-


"IF ANYONE BELIEVES THE GOVERNMENT HAS ANY RIGHT TO INTERFER IN OUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS THEN THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THEM TO BE."


And that pretty much sums up the mind set of most people today.& Not only do they think BB has the right to interfer, they think that they are not getting what they pay for if something isn't done.& I have a "friend" who called the cops and complained about his neighbor because he didn't think that they worked, assumed that they did drugs, and was afraid they might come break into his house.& You know what, at no point did he ever indicate to me that he had tried to make friends or even talk to them.&


I am&privileged&enough to be learning alot prior to any marriage (under God not state), and&she will understand and know upfront that we are responsible adults and not requiring any interference&or&social aid from any agency.& I realize that not everyone&is so privileged and therefore have to handle whatever situation arises as best they can.

To all,


I figured this would become a heated debate, and by my post, everyone would figure I was up for letting BB delve into our lives and handle our problems for us.& WRONG!!!!& Some are in a position where the only way to succeed at receiving support from a dead beat father/mother (yes I have seen a few of these as well)&is to bring the courts into it.& My brother-in-laws (yes two of them, two&of my sisters)&happens to be one of them.& My niece and nephew are 14 and 15.& The only way my sister can get her whole $98.00 a month is to get Social Services to garnish his wages, because he would not willingly pay out a dime.& He job hops constantly to keep the garnishment from happening.& He is the typical Dead Beat Father.&


I am completely for a man being in the child's life.& Under specific circumstances, I am all for the male actually having custody.& There are definitely some females who are definitely wanting in the area of motherhood.& My father is the true essence of a father.& He has been there for all of us kids, always.& In the divorce between him and my mother, we were given the option of who we chose to live with.& I lived back and forth.& I spent a year with my mom, and then a year with my dad, back and forth.& I preferred this.& During the off times, I spent time with the other parent on a regular basis.& This is the most healthy situation.& I get so angry at people trying to get out of the responsibility, because I watched my father, just this year, at 72 years of age, go back to work to help my sister who ended up unemployed.& She moved back in with him and he helped support her and my nephew who is now 3.& We all jumped in and helped her and she is back up on her feet.& There is nothing this man wouldn't do for anyone of his kids.& I admire and respect him whole heartedly.& My father did this because the ex-husband would not pay my sister anything.& There was a court battle going on between them, as she was trying to resolve the matters with him, and he kept trying to take advantage of her, even allowed her to pay all of the bills when they were married, while he sucked off of her.& Mind you, this man is a top level supervisor for a large construction compay.& Wanting for money he is not.& He was always so concerned about his financial state, that he expected my sister to carry everything basically.& Real piece of work.& Her&being so naive and wanting the relationship to work out, went along with it.& She didn't want&a divorce, didn't want him to be out of her son's life, etc.He made this choice.He even told her that since they didn't work out, he didn't want anything to&do with my&nephew.& He just wanted to&be left alone.& I have seen this more times than the other way around.& Men just want out of having to pay, don't want to be a part of that child's life, just walk away.


My mother and father never needed to get BB involved in garnishment, etc., due to the fact they stood by their word and paid whoever had the children living with them at the time.& This is fair.&


I have seen posts on the TSN about a couple getting out of child support.& As a matter of fact I was blown off by Jason during the time he was helping them.& The guy had not been paying child support in quite some time.& This angers me.& And yes, another one by a female trying to get out of child support.& I really don't care what the reasons are, or how wicked the ex is, the kids still need feeding, clothed, etc.& To be so happy that you dodged $15,000 or more worth of child support that you had not been paying, is nothing to pride yourself on.&


Ice, I completely understand where you are coming from.& In a perfect world, BB would not even exist, we could handle all of our affairs on our own, and people would be honest enough to uphold their side of the bargain, completely.& Yet, this is not the way it is.& Many, many people just want out from their responsibilities and child support.& They want nothing to do with the child.& They expect to just be able to walk away.& The mother carried the child for 9 months, and most of the time, (not always) feels very bonded with that child.& Most women, if they truly have that mothering instinct, would literally give her life for her child.& I watched my sister be placed in a shelter with my niece and nephew (listed above) because the husband at the time, decided he would come home drunk and coked up again.& He&started a big fight with her, telling her how worthless she was, etc., then held a loaded gun to her head until he finally passed out.& All of this in front of my nephew, who remembers it to this day.& Is this healthy for a child?& Of course not.& I feel in this type of a scenario, whoever is that unhealthy, need not be around the children at all!!!!!!!& It is a much more healthy scenario to have them removed from it.&


There are some scenarios where a woman/man really has no other choice, and need to rely on the resources provided by the courts/Social Services to receive some type of support.& This is my point as far as BB.& I wish it were the perfect world, I think all of us do.& Maybe some day it will be.&


About my being bitter, I am not by any means.& I actually am quite peaceful about my step-son and the biological not having any contact.& Here is why.& His biological made it very clear from the jump that he wanted nothing at all to do with him and would not claim him.& Did not want to be in his life and didn't even want him knowing he existed.& We tried contacting him once, and basically got the same response at that time.& My step-son already knows, when he turns 18, if he wants to know his biological, we will help him find him and&pay for his ticket to get there and back.& We do not bad mouth his biological father at all.& He will need to find out who his father is, what he is like, what he thinks about him, by coming to his own conclusions once he meets him, if he chooses to do so.& I do not believe in swaying a child's outlook on a parent based on resentments or bad feelings between the adults, whatsoever.& He can make his own judgements in this regard, we cannot and will not sway that in any way.So we get that $72.00 a month, which treats us to Chinese food for the night (one of our son's favorite foods), as well as a couple movies to rent, or games if he chooses, his choice.& I do not have to deal with sending him away for a summer vacation, or for the weekends.& We don't have the battles that some have to contend with.& So, I am not bitter by any means.& I am self employed and own a pretty good size company.& Money has been tighter this last year due to a large account being gone, but hey, we are doing just fine and make ends meet.& Better than a lot of people and we are thankful everyday.& I am pissed about watching so many pride themselves on dodging their responsibilities of child support.& Bitter&- no.& Pissed&- yes!!!& I have taken on the responsibility where the biological has not.& I enjoy my son, have no regrets, and will stand by him as his friend and step-parent/parent always.


My point, more people need to take responsibility for their kids.& They made them, own up to it.& The children ultimately pay the price.& If an agreement can be upheld on both sides, keep it out of the courts.& If one party is trying whole heartedly to duck the responsibility, use whatever resources are available to make them uphold their responsibility.&