incarcerated sovereign man

I need some advice. My brother is in jail convicted of burglary. He is in month 4 of an 8 month sentence. He has done all the proceedings to be a sovereign man however he is not being released from jail because the county attorney refuses to handle any paperwork regarding a sovereign man. Says he does not know anything of it and that it is most assuredly a scam. We have filed a negative averment, bill of peace, and certificate of non response. We don't seem to be getting any answers. He does have a creditor handling all his paperwork and we are trying to get answers out of him. He assures us he knows what he is doing and I believe him but he is not the best at explaining things so if anyone could give me any advice or any explanations as to what I am dealing with I would very much appreciate it as this is a totally new experience. thanks.

[Ice]

It sounds like a "Redemption" process.



I'll leave it to the Redemption folks to handle. I deal strictly with Law.



I will say this: The process attempted to be used is out of line. The only thing that matters in court is "judicial process and procedure".



Ice

yep, looks like they are mixing process. start with a writ of habeas corpus.

[Jerseee]

Kaylen,



Those answers you just got might frustrate you even more--but they are exactly what you need.



Go tot he downloads section of this stie and read a document by wargames. He swears by it but the only thing that is a guarantee is education.



The first thing you need to do is leave that redemption stuff alone--as you can see it gets you nowhere. A writ of habeas corpus is the key and follow procedure and rules of the court. This can be found in the links section of the site. Read the FRE and FRCP.



good luck.

First of all:



1). If your brother is convicted of burglary... there must be a reason behind this conviction that only God himself will inter in his behalf.



2). Example; I will go out and rob a bank. Go to jail. Then I will claim my sovereign capacity to be released from jail.



However, real life doesn't work this way!



If infact your brother did the crime he must do the time, and no paperwork on this earth will release him.



If your brother was sovereign before his charge he wouldn't have been charged with burglary... now would he? Because sovereing(s) do not place themselves in harmsway.



Now... upon your brother's release, if he choose's to think differently and repent from his wayward ways, then he may forgive himself and acquire His blessing and become a sovereign.



Unless... ofcourse if your brother was framed or something of the nature... then he can redeem from doors of iron himself.



Whatever... I do wish your brother the best of luck in his future endeavors.



Kindest regards...

[Jerseee]

Kaylen,



I have never taken that position that wargames has just took but that is a stark reality. Wargames is right--100%.



I agree with wargames whole-heartedly. Also, once this type of knowledge is gained about what a sovereign really is and what a sovereign should be doing....their heart and their very being would not entertain such a thought to steal.



You may try to get him out but, what should really be focused on is that this is the perfect time to study the law and help fellow inmates see the popwer they possess to do good deeds in soceity.



I wish you the best and start studying.

[Ice]

I never saw such a short sentence for burglary...

In the "real" America it could have cost a burglar his life if he were caught...

That's one of the reasons the Constitution spoke of "the right to bear arms"... self protection... from bad guys and a tyrannical government.



I don't think we need jails... we just need to enforce our right to bear arms. Crime would become almost non-existent if we protected ourselves as was intended by the founders of this great land.



(And don't any of you liberal jack asses even think about arguing the "firearms" issue with me!)



Kaylen,



If your brother had committed that crime he should pay a price. Be thankful he didn't burgle MY home... the price would have been more than he could bear.



8 months is nothing... if he's guilty he should do the time and learn from his experience. He should think about learning the law... he should have access to the law library while there. Suggest to him to spend some time reading.



Ice

First of all let me clear a few things up. My brother was one of four men convicted of burglary. It was petty burglary, first offense. He plea bargained his sentence. Also He did not act alone but received the second strongest sentence even after the police told him to completely confess and he would not go to jail. He did completely confess, returned everything he had taken, and was completely cooperative. The county attorney decided that he needed to make an example of these boys that had done the crimes. My brother was made a an example because at the time he had lost his job, his wife and he were splitting up and decided to make an immature decision. He and the other men thought it was kind of "fun" exciting whatever. He has apologized to the victims and understands what he did wrong. The county attorney has him on probabtion for the next ten years with a 25 year sentence in state hanging over his head and trust me the attorney is just wanting to send him to state. Therefore, because of the attitude of the attorney and his blatant demand for what he considers "justice" (ie time in state) my brother chose the route of the sovereign man. He is not trying to get off scott free or anything like that. I am not trying to get into the morality of burglary because we do not have enough time or space to debate that. However this is an exceptional circumstance. My question about the habeas corpus. We were told that if he signed that he automatically gave up his sovereignty because his signature meant he recognized the court system as having authority over him. Is this true?

[Ice]

Whooaaaa!!



Something is amiss here. You stated he is in MONTH 4 OF AN 8 MONTH <u>SENTENCE</u> in your first post.



Now you claim he has 25 years hanging over his head.



What's the deal. You are not giving details.. you're leaving something out. No discussion can be take place without full details giving an accurate picture of the factual situation.



Ice



There are 2 Habeas... whatever you heard must apply to that fake one the gubmint endorses.

sorry he plea bargained and got a deal of 1 year in the house of corrections. With good behavior he will be out in 8. It is then followed by 4 years of probation. If during that time he messes up at all then he is required to serve his full sentence which is 25 years in state penn. something we are of course trying to avoid. Also with the attitude of the county attorney (I went to meet with him and talk to him about the situation and he promptly threw me out of his office and threatend to have me arrested.) He has pretty much decided he wants my brother in state penn and was not happy about the plea agreement but took it anyway cause my brother was worried about what might happen if he fought the plea agreement for a better deal. so he took it and now he is stuck. that is all the situation so far.