Some Confusion About Israel

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

Biblical History

There are 12 tribes of Israel. These are divided into two houses, the southern house, Judea, and the northern House Joeseph. There are also Hebrew offshoots and other related peoples. The Jews of the Bible are Israelites. The first mention of Jews is in the book of Kings, centuries before the Babylon exile. The two kingdoms split after the death of Solomon.

Noah had three sons, Ham, Shem, and Japheth. Shem inherited the line from his father because he stayed purest. Eventually through succesive generations the lines goes to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who gained the new name, Israel.

All of the sons of Noah were some kind of "Caucasian", as they and their descendants had crossed over the Caucasus in both directions after the Flood. They were all "Indo-European" ie- "white", having come from what is now east Turkestan in China, the Tarim Basin which had collapsed and filled with water as recorded in the Bible. This depression is easily viewed today from a weather map, it looks like an "eye" located at the western end of Chinese territory.

This event is parallel-tracked with secular historiography, which details the migration of the "Indo European" culture/races from a central territory in Central Asia about 5000 years ago.

All tendencies among humans overlap. The following is a brief and simplistic overview.

Ham corresponds with Western Mediterranean, Northern Africa, West Asian, much of India, and into the Far East, including China. "Afro-Asiatic"

Japheth corresonds with East European, Balkan Mediterranean, Indo-Iranian, and EurAsian, also extending into the Orient. "EurAsia"

Shem inherited the direct line and so retains the name, "Caucasian", sometimes identified with "Aryan" Ar, or Ur, means "high". From Shem comes the "European" or "Western" tendency. Among the descendants of Shem is Eber, father of the Hebrews, and the direct heir from Shem, just as Shem was from Noah, who was "pure in his generations back to Adam". From the Hebrews came the Israelites, both "Jews" amd "Joes" (House of Judah, House of Joseph). Therefore everything Hebrew and "Semitic" means "IndoEuropean", "Aryan", and "Caucasian", and "Western". This is true both racially and linguisticlly, as English and Celtic languages bear a strong resemblance to Hebrew, as modified by other influences. ARamean (Ar-Am, "high people"), ARphaxad(ancestor of Abraham) Abraham is described in the Bible as an "Aramean", Laban ("blond-head") is said to be Aramean...

Much of both Israelite houses and other related peoples migrated into Europe, and later America, Australia etc over the last 4000 years. This is evident simply in the place and ethnic names.

Britain was settled by Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians about 1500 years ago.

Angles= People of the Bull (John Bull, the quintessential Englishman).

The Israelite tribe of Ephraim is likened to a 'young bullock' in the Bible, and was known by the worship of the bull as a national symbol in old Israel.

Saxon= Isaac's Son.

Jutes= Judes, Jews. Pretty obvious. Also 'Jutland', in Denmark

Frisians= Feres, or Pheres, was one of the sons of Judah according to Scripture.

Jesus and all the apostles were from Galilee. he told them to go 'ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL'. Where did they go? James, one of the foremost, went straight to Spain, to the region of Galicia. Galatians is a book of the New Testament. Gaelic, Gaul, Galtia, Galicia, Galilee, these are all the same word essentially. The Galileans of the Bible were a kind of Jewish Celts. Other apostles went straight to various Teutonic and Celtic peoples. Paul was a special apostle, commissioned afterwards to go to the Gentiles, as well as the Children of Israel

Iberia (Spain)= Hebrewia. Hibernia (Ireland) Inverness, the Caucasus used to be called Iberia as well, the Hebre(w)dies in Scotland...

Danmark, Danube, Don, Tuatha de Danann, all show the name of Dan, a sea-faring tibe of Israel.

Paul wrote that "...in Christ there are neither Jew nor Greek, Scythian nor Barbarian..." Why did he pick these four names? Jews are obvious, Greek was a Hebrew-originated culture, with many Jews resident in that day. Scythian contains the root SC, just as with 'Issac'. "In Issac thy seed shall be called" Scythian may be fairly translated as, "Saxon" (iSaCythian) Vowels are often dropped or changed over time. 'Barbarian', in the original Greek that the Bible was written in (another proof of Hebrew origins for Greek culture), is rendered "Keltoi". Celtic. So in Christ there is neither Judean, Hebrew origined Greek, Saxon or Celt, all are one. Including all other who 'dwell in the camp', of every race and nation.

The Khazars were a mixed group some of who became Jewish over the centuries. They were Gothic (Israelite) and Turkic/Hungarian (Ashkenazi). There are many different Jewish related ethnicites with very different histories, all of which are mixed with the rest of humanity anyway. Many who are called 'Jewish 'are from other varied origins. Jewish is a description, that at different times and places means any combination of religion, race, culture, socioeconomic class, images, or anything else you like. Its all in the eye of the beholder, and subject to jurisdiction, so to speak.

Jewish over the last 1,500 years alone has averaged a statistical 10% of the total 'Greater Caucasia' population (Europe, NearEast, America, etc). In the West today this percentage should be about double. By intermixture some 40% of Western populations should be substantially descended from just the medevial population base. Jewish is Western and the West is Jewish. The West is Hebrew. The West is Semitic. The British Commonwealth is Ephraim, the USA Manasseh, and the House of Judah must be somewhere- read Zechariah 14 for some clues.

There is no such thing as 'the Jews', or 'Jews'. Its not possible to section out certain aspects of existence like that without creating an artificial composite. 40% of the population isnt 'them', or 'those', or 'the'. Its us.

Any questions? Read the Bible and every other related book, check out all the following sites:

www.stevenmcollins.com
www.britam.org
www.ensignmessage.com

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

Quick followup- yes there are other races. This is all about the history of the modern Caucasian tendency. Clearly other races have other origins. And there is so much intermixture going in every direction. When a particular people is said to be, for example, 'Hamitic', this means some of the founding ancestors of this culture were identified with Ham son of Noah and the people around him. This is why much of Africa is 'Hamitic', because these formative tendencies were received into the ancestral mix. We are all 'Adamic' in that sense.

Obviously it takes more than one pair to make all the people in the world in all their variety. The Bible mostly deals with history starting about 6000 years ago.

That means the 7th millenium is coming, the Sabbath of Milleniums. Then there will be rest, and Peace.

[David Merrill]

All of the sons of Noah were some kind of "Caucasian", as they and their descendants had crossed over the Caucasus in both directions after the Flood.

Ashkenazim are Japhetic. And the Khazars, the Thirteenth Tribe, are from the Caucasus Mountains.



Regards,

David Merrill.

[fulltitle]

Without Prejudice.
At the same time, perhaps getting caught up trying to render spiritual things into physical/carnal meanings might cause problems.

Iberia (Spain)= Hebrewia. Hibernia (Ireland) Inverness, the Caucasus used to be called Iberia as well, the Hebre(w)dies in Scotland...

Iberia = Spain = Hebrewia? More like Spain = Sepharad. but then that could have included northern Africa much of Southern Europe. But if one really wants a truer 'worldplay' perhaps its more like "Iberia" = "Eberia" (eber..as in referring to those who crossed over) Eden? Was it a physical place or a spiritual state of being?

In recent history, there were at least two types of kings: 1) ruled based on land, 2) ruled based on allegiance regardless of where the subjects or the like were. For example, from #2 its possible for Xyzland to be not a physical place at all but still be a kingdom.

As far as "mixed", if you are going to talk Bible, then the issue would be more along the lines of "mixing faiths" not mixing genetics...the situation of Solomon having strange wives is a big hint--they weren't Believers--he was--perhaps that is what made them 'mixed marriages'?

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

The Khazars dwelt in the Caucasus, before moving north. They were a remnant of the peoples who had migrated westward, identified in history as Saxons, Goths, Alans, Vandal, Franks, etc. As well as Celtic groups. They became mixed with a Japhetic group called Ashkenazi. It was a mixture similar to Bulgar, Magyar, Hungar, etc. all of whom were associated in history with Khazars.

The kingdom they established was called "Khazaria" Since many Jews from Persia, Byzantium and other areas immigrated to this kingdom their descendants became known as "Ashkenazi". This is a term of informal reference, just as people are today "Italian" by geographic association, not because of any particular race, although the present mixtures tend to be identified by custom with that piece of geography (sterotypes).

The Khazars themselves, a part of them, became Jews, and were absorbed. This is one (!) source of Scandanavian-like features among some of East European Jewish origin, as well as the 'Hungarian' look.

Much of what is "Jewish" clearly comes from the eastern Mediterranean- if it looks like a duck, quacks, etc, it is.

Interesting to note that the word "Khazar" is a actually a title. It means, 'ruler'. or 'king'. The term is preserved in the Russian term, Czar. Czar=Khazar=Ceasar=Kaiser, etc.

The ethnic name of the actual 'Khazar' tribe identified with the Caucasus was 'Agathyrsoi', and records of their presence date back to the first centuries AD. They like other Gothic peoples served as mercenaries in the various Romes, migrated around Europe, and a portion of these people eventually settled in Scandanavia and Scotland. They were already 'Hebraic' in many ways, and identified themselves as descending from the tribes of Manasseh and Shimon, as well as the Japhetic people of Ashkenaz.

The statement regarding Spain was IBERIA=HEBREWIA. EBER was the father of the (H)EBER(EW)S. Spain was in parentheses to inform that Iberia is another name for Spain. Sepharad originally meant all the Mediterranean and came to mean especially Spain, for sure.

The marriages of Solomon were mixed because his wives were foreign. This is both in the spiritual and carnal sense, the two usually go hand-in hand.

Notice that there is no contradiction between anything I have posted and anything anyone else has posted. Contradictions are only apparent, in the end its one big eternal universe.

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

read this

http://www.stevenmcollins.com/html/khazars.html

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

It has been brought to my attention that I used an uncivil characterization in my original post, saying "you are all confused". I withdraw the remark and apologize for any offense. It was surely unintended, I write 'off-the-cuff' and was not directing this to anyone, group or series in particular.

I thank everyone who takes the time to read and post on this forum.