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Old 06-11-2007, 06:20 AM
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Exclamation Mark of the Beast

I've heard this said by some, and I do respect their opinions, but the Social Security number IS NOT the Mark of the Beast....at least, not yet.

WHY?

ANSWER - PART 1

According to the Bible, the Mark of the Beast is something you MUST have or you will be denied an economic existence in the Antichrist's reign of terror. The chief item to note is that those who do not have the "mark" will be unable to buy or sell without it.

To this end, Social Security has been (and currently still is) a VOLUNTARY program. While it has been increasingly difficult to live without a SSN over the last decade, it is still possible to be off the grid and live a somewhat normal life. In fact, until the so-called "war" on terror, most places that ask for a SSN would just as well do without the information if you pressed them or accept an ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) instead of a Social Security number.

Because you are not "forced" to have this number, that you have been duped into accepting one or got one issued to you at birth does not mean you have taken the Mark of the Beast. The Mark of the Beast requires a willful choice of fidelity to the prince of evil. Just filing out a bureaucratic form is not going to do the job.

ANSWER - PART 2

The Bible is equally clear that taking the Mark of the Beast is a willful choice to worship the Antichrist. At this time, there is no such vow of allegiance made when obtaining a Social Security number or ITIN. The Antichrist has not yet risen top power, so the possession of these numbers does not mean you are saddled with the prophesied Mark of the Beast.

ANSWER - PART 3

The Bible is also clear that when the Mark of the Beast arrives, the return of Jesus Christ will happen shortly later. We've had Social Secuirty and tax ID numbers have for decades. Jesus still has not returned.

ANSWER - PART 4

That Social Security is not currently the Mark of the Beast does not mean it cannot become that. The Real ID Act and all it heralds is 100 times worse than having a Social Security number. We are on the eve of a horrifying global war, and the NWO says mandated identification of every living being is needed for "world peace."

Clearly, the desire to number every person is an Antichrist motivated objective, and it should be resisted at all costs. No Bible-believing Christian should willingly comply with something intended to enslave humanity to Satan and his servants.

Knowing what I now know, I have renounced my SSN, although there is nothing I can do about the number having been assigned. I will not take a Real ID card. Given the facts that they want to deny me the ability to hold a job, drive a car, or have a bank account if I don't accept a national ID, that has the hallmarks of a pre-Mark of the Beast system that I will have no part of.

Just my 2 cents. I'm tired of people saying that having a SSN is the Mark of the Beast because there is no penalty for NOT having a SSN. The Bible is clear that those who do not take the Mark will be sanctioned and/or killed by the Antichrist and the False Prophet (and their minions). Since the Antichrist and False Prophet have not yet arrived, the Mark of the Beast simply has not yet happened.
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Old 06-11-2007, 06:34 AM
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Given the facts that they want to deny me the ability to hold a job, drive a car, or have a bank account if I don't accept a national ID, that has the hallmarks of a pre-Mark of the Beast system that I will have no part of.

Just my 2 cents. I'm tired of people saying that having a SSN is the Mark of the Beast because there is no penalty for NOT having a SSN. The Bible is clear that those who do not take the Mark will be sanctioned and/or killed by the Antichrist and the False Prophet (and their minions). Since the Antichrist and False Prophet have not yet arrived, the Mark of the Beast simply has not yet happened.

Nowhere in the bible does it state the mark of the beast and the beast will arrive at the same time.

The vast majority of employers and most banks require a SSN to transact business with them. I would call being denied the opportunity to open a bank account or to work to put food on the table a penalty or sanction.

I view what is currently in place with the SSN, the upcoming Real ID and the conditioning of the populace as a precursor to those events mentioned in the bible.
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Old 06-11-2007, 09:54 AM
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macerico,
when the mark of the beast is finally implemented do you think it will be a physical mark, engraving or possibly even a microchip implant? What are your views on this?
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That's a tough question.

The original Greek translates "to pierce" the skin...to denote ownership.

That the NWO types have already admitted that it is a question of WHEN (not IF) they go to implanted RFID chips rather than a card you carry, I think that is telling.

However, I'm certain the form of "the Mark" won't be only one thing. I'm sure it can be just having the card or an issued number as compared to an implanted chip. After all, if you don't have your "number" you'll be just as cut off. They don't need the chip under your skin to do that.

It is noteworthy that the makers of RFID technology patented a logo that would identify that something was equipped with an RFID chip and where it was located. They trademarked the name "The Mark." For people, this emblem would be useful so that the part of the body containing the RFID chip could be identified and not subjected to energy bursts that could damage the chip.

All I know for certain is that when the time comes, every person will be asked to take an oath of loyalty to something (other than Christ). Failure to do so means you'll be sanctioned....unable to buy and sell. In time, refusal to comply would lead to imprisonment, segregation from society, and/or death.

That's been the useful thing to watch for.

*** TIMING NOTE ***

There is no doubt in my mind that we will see a nuclear war soon. The Illuminati-type power brokers intend this third massive war to cause destruction as never before seen between Zionist Jews and Islamic radicals. As "Bible-believing" Christians are always behind Israel (no matter what), when the dust settles, those that survive will see a massive finger-pointing campaign against the "intolerance of religion." The whole goal of this massive war is to shatter faith in traditional religious views and impose acceptance of a new "global ethic" for the sake of humanity's survival. ANYONE who will not adopt this new social philosophy will be deemed as the enemy of humankind.

Go to www.threeworldwars.com for more information in their articles.

I'm convinced that if we successfully frustrate the plan to impose Real ID in America, there will most certainly be a horrible war to break the resistance and impose it by force. It certainly will be the grounds used to make a "new social ethic" for the world to adopt.

***

Since (for the Real ID), they say not having one means you won't be in the database for employment verification, you won't be allowed to open/hold a bank account and you could lose your driver's license, it is a very real threat.

Remember, the Social Security number was pushed on people with the promise it was not for identification and that participation was voluntary. They've spent 40-50 years covertly undoing that promise, and all because of the very concerns we have now about a national ID card.

Oh, on not being able to get a bank account without a SSN.

1. It can be done. Set up a shell LLC with a corporate identity with the IRS. You will have to hunt about, but you will find places that will not require anything but the LLC's EIN number for the account. It will restore the convenience of banking without having to use a number assigned to you (great for privacy concerns if nothing else). On those same lines, if you live near Mennonites or Quakers, a lot of those people will not take a SSN.

2. Banks are nothing but agents of the IRS. So, you're better off NOT having any assets in the bank anyway as it deprives you of any economic privacy. Possession is 9/10ths of the law where your money is concerned. Homeland Security has also implemented rules that in the event of a national emergency, banks will close, accounts will be frozen (or what you can access will be strictly limited) and SAFETY DEPOSIT BOXES can be frozen or seized. That means you can't get what is rightfully yours with the stroke of the President's pen.

Better off getting off the banking system before it gets that bad.

Again, without a SSN, until the last 10 years, you could still have a bank account, buy and sell, work any job, but they have made it progressively harder, and advocates of liberty have had to fight ever harder to assert their legal and lawful right to work and transact business in the world. So, we're back to the fact that the SSN isn't the Mark of the Beast, but it could be made into it.

In such a situation, presuming the SSN will become the Mark of the Beast, the day will come when you are confronted to basically pledge loyalty to some NWO system. Say "no" and they will key your SSN into the system and you'll be an economic non-person. Say "yes" and your SSN is elevated to the accepted list.

In the end....when you are asked to pledge loyalty, you must say "no." I don't think it will be the SSN because it just isn't adequate for the task. To number everyone globally (which is what the Real ID is part of), you need more digits than the SSN provides. SSN numbers get reused, so they need a sequence that will issue a unique number for everyone who will ever live for the foreseeable future of the system.
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Old 06-11-2007, 12:20 PM
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The original Greek translates "to pierce" the skin...to denote ownership.
It is noteworthy that the makers of RFID technology patented a logo that would identify that something was equipped with an RFID chip and where it was located. They trademarked the name "The Mark."

Reading the reply is scary and it seems we are getting closer and closer to this thing.
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Old 06-11-2007, 01:26 PM
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The original Greek translates "to pierce" the skin...to denote ownership.
That's b/c in ancient/Biblical times, a bondservant was pierced in his ear and an earring was put in his ear, to denote his status as a slave.
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That's a tough question.

The original Greek translates "to pierce" the skin...to denote ownership.

That the NWO types have already admitted that it is a question of WHEN (not IF) they go to implanted RFID chips rather than a card you carry, I think that is telling.

However, I'm certain the form of "the Mark" won't be only one thing. I'm sure it can be just having the card or an issued number as compared to an implanted chip. After all, if you don't have your "number" you'll be just as cut off. They don't need the chip under your skin to do that.

It is noteworthy that the makers of RFID technology patented a logo that would identify that something was equipped with an RFID chip and where it was located. They trademarked the name "The Mark." For people, this emblem would be useful so that the part of the body containing the RFID chip could be identified and not subjected to energy bursts that could damage the chip.

All I know for certain is that when the time comes, every person will be asked to take an oath of loyalty to something (other than Christ). Failure to do so means you'll be sanctioned....unable to buy and sell. In time, refusal to comply would lead to imprisonment, segregation from society, and/or death.

That's been the useful thing to watch for.

*** TIMING NOTE ***

There is no doubt in my mind that we will see a nuclear war soon. The Illuminati-type power brokers intend this third massive war to cause destruction as never before seen between Zionist Jews and Islamic radicals. As "Bible-believing" Christians are always behind Israel (no matter what), when the dust settles, those that survive will see a massive finger-pointing campaign against the "intolerance of religion." The whole goal of this massive war is to shatter faith in traditional religious views and impose acceptance of a new "global ethic" for the sake of humanity's survival. ANYONE who will not adopt this new social philosophy will be deemed as the enemy of humankind.

Go to www.threeworldwars.com for more information in their articles.

I'm convinced that if we successfully frustrate the plan to impose Real ID in America, there will most certainly be a horrible war to break the resistance and impose it by force. It certainly will be the grounds used to make a "new social ethic" for the world to adopt.

***

Since (for the Real ID), they say not having one means you won't be in the database for employment verification, you won't be allowed to open/hold a bank account and you could lose your driver's license, it is a very real threat.

Remember, the Social Security number was pushed on people with the promise it was not for identification and that participation was voluntary. They've spent 40-50 years covertly undoing that promise, and all because of the very concerns we have now about a national ID card.

Oh, on not being able to get a bank account without a SSN.

1. It can be done. Set up a shell LLC with a corporate identity with the IRS. You will have to hunt about, but you will find places that will not require anything but the LLC's EIN number for the account. It will restore the convenience of banking without having to use a number assigned to you (great for privacy concerns if nothing else). On those same lines, if you live near Mennonites or Quakers, a lot of those people will not take a SSN.

2. Banks are nothing but agents of the IRS. So, you're better off NOT having any assets in the bank anyway as it deprives you of any economic privacy. Possession is 9/10ths of the law where your money is concerned. Homeland Security has also implemented rules that in the event of a national emergency, banks will close, accounts will be frozen (or what you can access will be strictly limited) and SAFETY DEPOSIT BOXES can be frozen or seized. That means you can't get what is rightfully yours with the stroke of the President's pen.

Better off getting off the banking system before it gets that bad.

Again, without a SSN, until the last 10 years, you could still have a bank account, buy and sell, work any job, but they have made it progressively harder, and advocates of liberty have had to fight ever harder to assert their legal and lawful right to work and transact business in the world. So, we're back to the fact that the SSN isn't the Mark of the Beast, but it could be made into it.

In such a situation, presuming the SSN will become the Mark of the Beast, the day will come when you are confronted to basically pledge loyalty to some NWO system. Say "no" and they will key your SSN into the system and you'll be an economic non-person. Say "yes" and your SSN is elevated to the accepted list.

In the end....when you are asked to pledge loyalty, you must say "no." I don't think it will be the SSN because it just isn't adequate for the task. To number everyone globally (which is what the Real ID is part of), you need more digits than the SSN provides. SSN numbers get reused, so they need a sequence that will issue a unique number for everyone who will ever live for the foreseeable future of the system.

Concerning the use of a Trust, LLC or Corp organization to open an account; nearly all banks are requiring a state or federal issued ID. Have gone with an associate at least one branch of each national bank and several credit unions (including those without federally insured deposits) in a very large metro area near where we live and without exception they would not open the account without the SSN for all those with signature authority on the account.

Now this was well before the BofA announcement that those with an ID card from a foreign jurisdiction can opening an account with only that documentation. How's that for irony?

Regardless, more states are requiring a SSN before an identification card or driver's license to be issued (a mandate of the Real ID act I believe). The bank having a photocopy of the state issued identification card makes that information available to any Governmental snoop who wants it (and without a warrant thanks to the anti-terrorism and anti-money laundering acts of congress).

Good post macerico.
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That's b/c in ancient/Biblical times, a bondservant was pierced in his ear and an earring was put in his ear, to denote his status as a slave.

This seems consistent with Rev 13:16-18 If they want to make everyone slaves by piercing them.
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Concerning the use of a Trust, LLC or Corp organization to open an account; nearly all banks are requiring a state or federal issued ID. Have gone with an associate at least one branch of each national bank and several credit unions (including those without federally insured deposits) in a very large metro area near where we live and without exception they would not open the account without the SSN for all those with signature authority on the account.

I didn't say it would be EASY. ;-)

I went through 5 banks before I found one that did not require a SSN for someone with signature authority. If they call me on that, I'll pull out the funds and shut it down.
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To find a bank that may not yet require a SSN to open an account. Check the official register of banks in your state, and look for those that might still only be State Chartered, not Nationally Chartered. Then check to see if they are or are not members of the Federal Reserve and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corportation. Those that are not will be your best bet.
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