Twenty-five U.S. Military Officers Challenge Official Account of 9/11

[rottweiler]

Silverstein is a Rockefeller crony, 9/11 was not his decision. He is an accomplice.

Silverstein's consortium of evil has netted over 4 billion so far just counting Manhattan. That doesn't include the profits from all the other things like the war. He owns Building 7 and already profitted 500 million off that alone. Yes he has to make the lease payments when the rest of the buildings are occupied but they will be offset by the rents for those brand spanking new buildings.

Now he is trying to get 12.3 billion more from the airlines and airport security companies. His "consortium" had to pay a crummy $14 million for the lease so far. Ashkenazi judges will make sure he collects for his boss's the Rockefellers.

This is all typical parasitical behavior from the synagogue of satan.

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Silverstein is trying to get reimbursement for his consortium's very onerous responsibilities to (1) have a WTC complex with buildings to hand back to the Port Authority when the lease is up, and (2) make up to all his investors for lost revenues. Long story short, even if he wins all these lawsuits, he will not have appreciably more for himself than if the WTC were still standing and renting out office space.

If you insist on supposing that he had something to do with the planning of the Sept 11 attacks, then you ought to estimate how much that attack would have cost him. I'm sure that four jetliners and three hundred FDNY firemen don't go cheaply. Deduct the expense of arranging the Sept 11th attacks from his "windfall" and it doesn't look quite so profitable.

And, believe it or not, there are easier ways for Larry Silverstein to have made money than to initiate World War Three.

[Tigron-X]

Originally Posted by BOBT12

Well this is what the officials want you to think. This war is based upon many lies: We were suppose to be going to Iraq to free them from Saddam (not Al Queda). Remember, the U.S. Helped put Saddam into office.

Then we were certain that Saddam had WMDs, although this was false.


The point is that the 9-11 Commission Report is a fraud. Moreover, based upon the evidence, Al-Qaeda (whatever they are) could not have pull off a 9-11 style attack without help within the government itself.

I was aware from the start that troop deployment into Iraq was a strategic move to gain a stronghold in the Middle East. In other words, I knew that WMDs was just a ploy to get Uncle Sam's foot in the door.

Granted, I didn't know whether the weapons actually existed or not; I just knew it wasn't the main reason the US was going into Iraq.

I figured deployment into Iraq had to do with oil -- more specifically, how oil can be used to control a nation's economy and eventually a nation itself, not limited to Iraq or nations in the Middle East. It wasn't until circa 2006 that I became aware of the fact that the main reason for the war ties into enforcing the trade of oil in FRNs. And from the start, I also figured that creating a "democracy" in the region is/was a secondary objective because such a form of government allows one to manage the people of the nation by promoting ideals sympathetic to the powers that be.

But overall, I never expected the Bush administration to reveal their hand (refrence to cards) to the public. They're waging a war campaign. So, I'm also not suprised that the 9-11 Commission Report is a fraud. The war campaign is still being waged. And deception is key to winning wars, even if that means deceiving the US public at times -- not that I advocate it.

I just never knew the extent of the administration's fabrication of events until just now (just finished watching "Power of Nightmares"). The manipulation is absolutely astonishing. And I have to tip my hat to them for such genious -- not that I condone their actions. It's just brilliant.

[Shoonra]

Originally Posted by rottweiler

Silverstein is a Rockefeller crony,

I assume you have some evidence for this. David Rockefeller was 76 years old when the WTC was destroyed and had reached a point where he was giving money away. Larry Silverstein is 17 years younger. The mere fact that they are both in the same same time zone and in the same tax brackets does not make them cronies.

In any case, they'll take away your membership card in the Loud Mouth Paranoids for shifting the blame for 9-11 away from a Jew onto a Baptist.

Silverstein and his consortium is still obligated to return entire buildings to the Port Authority when the lease expires, something that requires billions - not mere millions - in construction costs and, even more pressing, he's supposed to be sending investors a return right now based on rentals of WTC office space - an obligation that continues even when the buildings are vanished. So the amounts realized from the insurance and the litigation are not being stashed in his personal doggy bag.

One odd thing is that, even when being sued for millions, not one of the insurance companies even breathed the suggestion that Silverstein might have had something to do with the destruction of the WTC or any part of it. And you won't see any such suggestion in the upcoming litigation against the airlines. Even with millions at stake, the high priced defense lawyers are nto going to waste time with stupid talk.

The conspiracy theorists never stop to think: It would have cost milllions up front to arrange for illusiory hijackings, trick demolition, impossible phenomena (such as steel remaining liquified for several days), etc. And with every layer being painted on the conspiracy theories, hundreds - even thousands - are being added to the number of people who must have had some participation in the conspiracy ..... which means that whatever money was forthcoming from this conspiracy has to be spread wider and much thinner, to the point where a lot of the conspirators (presumably not stupid people) would have thought to themselves that honest work would have brought quicker and bigger returns. And so far not a one of those ten thousand or so conspirators has come forward and blabbed, not even after seven years.

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by Tigron-X

I was aware from the start that troop deployment into Iraq was a strategic move to gain a stronghold in the Middle East. In other words, I knew that WMDs was just a ploy to get Uncle Sam's foot in the door.

Yes, as you see this is a big geo-political strategy.

Originally Posted by Tigron-X

Granted, I didn't know whether the weapons actually existed or not; I just knew it wasn't the main reason the US was going into Iraq.

I figured deployment into Iraq had to do with oil -- more specifically, how oil can be used to control a nation's economy and eventually a nation itself, not limited to Iraq or nations in the Middle East.

Bingo. The goal is building secure U.S. Military bases, so we can carry out operations in the Middle East. Such operations will include bringing Iran and Syria under U.S. control. Later the plan is to go after other nations, such as North Korea, and China.

Originally Posted by Tigron-X

It wasn't until circa 2006 that I became aware of the fact that the main reason for the war ties into enforcing the trade of oil in FRNs. And from the start, I also figured that creating a "democracy" in the region is/was a secondary objective because such a form of government allows one to manage the people of the nation by promoting ideals sympathetic to the powers that be [PTB].

Comment added. Correct.

Originally Posted by Tigron-X

But overall, I never expected the Bush administration to reveal their hand (refrence to cards) to the public. They're waging a war campaign.

Again, I believe you are correct. Much of this plan (cards) are revealed in the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) documents.

Originally Posted by Tigron-X

So, I'm also not suprised that the 9-11 Commission Report is a fraud. The war campaign is still being waged. And deception is key to winning wars, even if that means deceiving the US public at times -- not that I advocate it.

9-11 was useful in building public sentiment for war. In other words, in the mind of the PTB, one must crack a few eggs to make an omelet.

Originally Posted by Tigron-X

I just never knew the extent of the administration's fabrication of events until just now (just finished watching "Power of Nightmares"). The manipulation is absolutely astonishing. And I have to tip my hat to them for such genious -- not that I condone their actions. It's just brilliant.

Remember, the PTB may not be too concerned with the FRN, or the U.S. as a nation, they just want to carry out their ruthless agenda.

[Tigron-X]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

One odd thing is that, even when being sued for millions, not one of the insurance companies even breathed the suggestion that Silverstein might have had something to do with the destruction of the WTC or any part of it. And you won't see any such suggestion in the upcoming litigation against the airlines. Even with millions at stake, the high priced defense lawyers are nto going to waste time with stupid talk.

Oh yeah! That's what they should do. Engage in slander so they get sued for that too. Maybe if the crime scene wasn't so quickly cleaned up there would have been a chance to accumulate substantial evidence that might have led to proof of such a defense, but instead they, like the People, are left with these erroneous hypothesise balyhooed by the government as if "official" some how means divine or infallible. Please, spare us these idiosyncratic ideals proposed by the neo-cons. For a lawyer to even begin creating such an argument, he/she would have to show that the "official report" is a hoax. Not only is that career suicide for the lawyer, but that means the client has to take on the government as well.

Originally Posted by Shoonra

The conspiracy theorists never stop to think: It would have cost milllions up front to arrange for illusiory hijackings, trick demolition, impossible phenomena (such as steel remaining liquified for several days), etc. And with every layer being painted on the conspiracy theories, hundreds - even thousands - are being added to the number of people who must have had some participation in the conspiracy ..... which means that whatever money was forthcoming from this conspiracy has to be spread wider and much thinner, to the point where a lot of the conspirators (presumably not stupid people) would have thought to themselves that honest work would have brought quicker and bigger returns. And so far not a one of those ten thousand or so conspirators has come forward and blabbed, not even after seven years.

Nice strawman argument.

[Shoonra]

You obviously don't know about the immunity of legal pleadings to the usual liabilities for defamation.

"Strawman argument": simple arithmetic.

[Tigron-X]

Originally Posted by BOBT12

Remember, the PTB may not be too concerned with the FRN, or the U.S. as a nation, they just want to carry out their ruthless agenda.

I don't see why they wouldn't be. I've never seen any evidence that shows they're interested in stopping trade. The US provides protection through military force, and for that protection they demand payment according to their terms which includes trade to be in FRNs. Trade in FRNs allows for taxation of other nations through means of inflation. Though, the system isn't without its limitations. There needs to be a threat in order to justify protection, or else the US looks like an imposing army -- hence the need for the new phantom enemy, "Terrorists," that can strike out of no where at any time, at any place.

[Tigron-X]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

You obviously don't know about the immunity of legal pleadings to the usual liabilities for defamation.

There are limitations to that immunity. And this comment doesn't address my point. To paraphrase your initial comment into a question, "If millions of dollars are at stake, then why wouldn't the insurance companies (and why won't the airlines) make the defense that Silverstein conspired to demolish the buildings for gain?"

Well, I find it odd that you find it odd that a lawyer wouldn't drag his/her client into an argument that would essentially take on the government's "official" position. It would cost millions upon millions to fight an up hill battle like that since all the evidence has been done away with.

Originally Posted by Shoonra

"Strawman argument": simple arithmetic.

Yes, putting every single claim into a single group and identifying that group as having 1 claim with various counts is simple arithmetic. But it's completely without merit.

[Shoonra]

What it amounts to is touting all these dozens of military somethings and hundreds of engineering somebodies and various purported experts here and there on explosions or demolition or fire or whatever ..... but when it comes right down it, an outright admission that, even collectively, they couldn't stand up in court.

A very telling admission.


And as for being so scared about a defamation suit, I haven't seen any such qualms about defaming Larry Silverstein -- except the knowledge that a lawsuit against the people defaming him couldn't collect anything more than their doublewide and their bedbugs.

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by Tigron-X

I don't see why they wouldn't be. I've never seen any evidence that shows they're interested in stopping trade.

True, however, trade can take place without the U.S. at the center of activities, just as the U.K. is no longer dominant after many years in a similar role.

Originally Posted by Tigron-X

The US provides protection through military force, and for that protection they demand payment according to their terms which includes trade to be in FRNs. Trade in FRNs allows for taxation of other nations through means of inflation. Though, the system isn't without its limitations.

This is my point, this kingpin roll is destroying many of the nations fundamentals. The FRN is currently under pressure from devaluation (inflation), a number of nations are already taking steps to replace the FRN as a basis of exchange. This may force the U.S. to adopt a new currency, such as the Amero.

Meltdown of U.S. Dollar Underway as China Dumps the Currency
http://www.naturalnews.com/023005.html

Comments by China that it intends to move away from its reliance on the dollar triggered a sharp drop in the Dow Jones Industrial Average and heightened worldwide fears about the U.S. currency's stability. Chinese Central Bank Vice Director Xiu Jian said that his country is planning to shift much of its $1.4 trillion national currency reserve from dollars to more stable currencies, such as the euro or Canadian dollar. After these comments, the dollar fell to record lows relative to other currencies -- the lowest ever against the euro, the lowest in a generation against the British pound, and the lowest in 57 years against the Canadian dollar.

Originally Posted by Tigron-X

There needs to be a threat in order to justify protection, or else the US looks like an imposing army -- hence the need for the new phantom enemy, "Terrorists," that can strike out of no where at any time, at any place.

Yes, yet, increasingly this is just a matter of a good Public Relations campaign, and it may be out-sourced. In fact, most U.S. corporations are already out-sourced. The U.S. has already turned nations such as China into industrial powerhouses, often with poor trade policy. In this way, the PTB has placed resources in many areas.

All I am saying, is that the U.S. is a tool to the PTB. Just as a knife may dull if you do a lot of cutting. You can take time to sharpen the knife, or you may simply pick up a saw to continue the job.