Petty Offenses.

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

(w/ thanks to those who originally posted the links. I posted this @ www.expertlaw.com and no responses so far- other than being banned for "incorrection".

I'm incorrigible: ;^ )
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Petty Offenses are the scourge of the land. The USA is one of the few places that provide for criminal enforcement of a civil fine.

The classic "in" for the bad guys out there is under the guise of the petty offense. For example, "disorderly conduct" is used to create an opening for arrest and further investigation: which often leads to a felony prosecution. How many "resisting arrest" charges are founded on that initial penny-stock citation?

Meanwhile this criminal enterprise of State routinely violates these laws anyway- lying, twisting the definition, expanding the range to cover excluded acts- and we let it happen by silence and failure to object.

Attaching a criminal responsibility to what is otherwise a civil infraction allows thugs, rapists, carpetbaggers, grifters and con-men to exercise an "unconscionable jurisdiction" over the folk. Countless families have suffered tremendous loss and shame from this perversion.

This is bad, wrong, opens the door to the ultra-violent and is destructive of our way of life. A cancer is eating this nation. This is pure Evil.

Watch these armed career criminals assault and sexually molest a defenseless woman. She's 41, married to a High School employee, normal people like anyone else, members of the local community, and deserve much much better. If the perpetrators of this outrage were anyone else they'd be looking at life imprisonment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUdwawQ7HPY

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_articl...7&provider=top

Where are the charges against the REAL terrorists?

[sheisaceo]

Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham

(w/ thanks to those who originally posted the links. I posted this @ www.expertlaw.com and no responses so far- other than being banned for "incorrection".

I'm incorrigible: ;^ )
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Petty Offenses are the scourge of the land. The USA is one of the few places that provide for criminal enforcement of a civil fine.

The classic "in" for the bad guys out there is under the guise of the petty offense. For example, "disorderly conduct" is used to create an opening for arrest and further investigation: which often leads to a felony prosecution. How many "resisting arrest" charges are founded on that initial penny-stock citation?

Meanwhile this criminal enterprise of State routinely violates these laws anyway- lying, twisting the definition, expanding the range to cover excluded acts- and we let it happen by silence and failure to object.

Attaching a criminal responsibility to what is otherwise a civil infraction allows thugs, rapists, carpetbaggers, grifters and con-men to exercise an "unconscionable jurisdiction" over the folk. Countless families have suffered tremendous loss and shame from this perversion.

This is bad, wrong, opens the door to the ultra-violent and is destructive of our way of life. A cancer is eating this nation. This is pure Evil.

Watch these armed career criminals assault and sexually molest a defenseless woman. She's 41, married to a High School employee, normal people like anyone else, members of the local community, and deserve much much better. If the perpetrators of this outrage were anyone else they'd be looking at life imprisonment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUdwawQ7HPY

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_articl...7&provider=top

Where are the charges against the REAL terrorists?

This happened with Snipes then?

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

The SNIPES case was for a paperwork misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year in jail- but it's pretty close! It's definitely what would otherwise be a civil matter, in any other system.

I wanted to be straight to the point- the issue of arrest powers for fines only. Given how this is used against us, and worse still, creates an opening for further attacks.

See how in this case a (false anyway) "disorderly conduct" charge escalated into the kidnapping, sexual battery and other torture of this lady, under the pretense of "resisting arrest".

Consider how many chances for the criminal-legal actors disappear when there is no legal cause to arrest.

(not film actors!)

Then there is the larger question of what are actually civil-based offenses like "failure to file", and some vehicle offenses, which may include jail time, but are legally not crimes.

So yes the bigger overall point is that all criminal enforcement for civil matters including petty offenses are a major problem. This difference between the USA and the rest of the world is now a major quality-of-life issue.

Civil matters, btw include all contraband offenses (like drugs)- these are not even listed under the "crimes code", they are in other law sections regarding civil regulations. Most people out there don't understand this- "drugs" are not a crime, by law! They are "criminal offenses" against the civil laws.

This is why Europe and Canada, etc are so cool and much safer in general. In any other country, a crime is a crime, there is no exception: either fish or fowl. Arrest is usually prohibited for anything less than a felony; civil infractions and petty offenses are strictly civil.

So what kind of a defense can be used against these Non-Crimes?? Wisconsin hands out these underage drinking tickets (125.07(4)(b) like candy at a parade, they say they are non-criminal but will jail you for not paying the monetary penalty, which would seem to beillegal(the penalty) because it is non-criminal. These tickets are given if an officer just says he smelled alcohol, and for a person underageds it is not illegal to have alcohol on your breath as parents or guardians or an of age spouse can provide alcohol to these individuals. Tha statute also says " knowingly possessing or consuming". In other words the cop would have to catch them in possession or actively drinking an alcohol beverage. We also have 51.45(1) which says that you can't be charged with a criminal offense because of being under the effects of an intoxicant. This , seemingly, is frequently ignored, even though this single statutute is about 21 pages long. All in all is law enforcement just another means of tax collection?? And how can they and do they make all of these tickets stand up in court???

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

It is a racket. All I can say is challenge the case just as you have in your post- point out the difference between what the official claim is, subject to the rules of evidence (no conclusions, hearsay, irrelevancies etc), and the definition of the charge.

(check other threads for the issue of personal jurisdiction)

Why do they get away with it? Here is an experiment for you- see if you can find 2 people you know personally who could even begin to follow the logic of your post. In my experience nearly everyone says...

"oh, but you were...but didn't you...maybe it's" or whatever other prejudicial crap they wash their brains with. Very few out there can follow a simple 3 step order, like A,B,C. Most people think things just happen, magically.

Here is the popular conception of "procedural logic", step by step

1. Hallucinate
2. Guilty
3. Trial by random opinion
4. Arrest
5. Psycho-babble
6. Cast around for a law that has at least one element in common with a show seen on TV
7. Make comparisons about things that never happen
8. Repeat process w/ BAR attorney
9. Arraign for court on different charge
10. Do not pass Go.