What troops are capable of doing to their own brothers

[BoyntonStu]

Why So Long...Was it the fact that they wanted most to die off before accepting responsibility. The Swiss get rich with the death of 6 million Jews.. The world takes 50 years to sort this out. We all carry this shame... We all could have made a difference here.. We still can boycott The Swiss...And take our vacations in more moderate and responsible countries..

Taken From The BBC News Pages
Friday, 25 August,
2000, 07:24 GMT 08:24 UK
Swiss firms face slave labour deadline


Holocaust victims

Holocaust survivors have long fought for compensation

By Imogen Foulkes in Bern

Swiss businesses are facing a Friday deadline to declare whether or not they
benefited from slave labour during World War II. The date was set by a judge in the United States, who is presiding over the class action suit brought by Holocaust survivors against Swiss banks.

The two biggest Swiss banks have already agreed to a $1.25bn settlement in
return for immunity from prosecution. If Swiss companies agree to provide information about their wartime history, they too will be protected from future legal action.

It is two years since the big Swiss banks agreed to the settlement, but so
far not a penny has been paid out to Holocaust survivors. The banks were first in line for legal action because they were believed to be holding thousands of dormant accounts belonging to people who had died in the Nazi concentration camps and refusing to hand over the money to surviving relatives.

But as more details of Switzerland's wartime history came to light, it
became clear that insurance companies, private banks and many Swiss
companies also profited from the war.

Prominent companies

It is now believed at least 11,000 slave labourers were employed by Swiss
companies with affiliates in Nazi Germany. Some of the companies using slave labour remain among the most famous in Switzerland - for example engineering firm Brown Boveri, or food giant Nestle, whose German affiliate Maggi replaced the swastika flying over its factory with the Swiss flag just hours before the arrival of allied forces in 1944.

Claiming Swiss nationality brought these companies protection from war
reparations, but over half a century later, New York Judge Edward Korman has
told them they must provide details of their wartime dealings and be ready
to join the global settlement with the banks, or face punitive class actions
of their own. Some Swiss companies have already agreed to join the $4.8bn slave labour fund set up by Germany and many more are expected to comply with Mr Korman's deadline.

Once they do, a plan to distribute the fund to Holocaust survivors can
finally be drawn up and first payments are expected by the end of the year.

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Did you know when the Swiss granted women the right to vote?

A lack of knowledge seems to go a long way around here.

stU

Stu won't answer the hard questions, as I have proven.

But I repeat myself. (again)

Henry Franklin

Originally Posted by doormonkey

This thread has gotten a bit off topic hasn't it?

Your main point...trying to draw a parallel between what the military are Israel is doing to the "settlers" in Gaza, and what we might be in for in the very near future. Very true. But the animosity isn't mostly between soldiers and settlers. The soldiers are mostly kids. They're being abused by the Sharon government, and they may never recover from the trauma. Many have to be carried away weeping.

The Riot Police are another story, from what I've read and heard. They are a more parallel example to what we may experience here. They're trained professionals, and they have been psychologically screened. They're only using police officers who aren't sympathetic to the "settler enterprise". I agree with you, the Riot Police, wearing the black uniforms, are an excellent example of how the government manipulates.

There are ways to make our children more immune to the type of brainwashing being discussed here, but it must start young. They need love, nurturing, and ideals beyond the material world, based on fear & love of G-d, and flowing from there to love of fellow.

I don't see where I went off topic I am talking about what is happening and what will happen here. I don't feel sorry for myself by no means I am fed up and angry and upset to see what our future and childrens future holds.
I don't care if you are Jewish, Muslum, Afican American, Indian, who ever whatever wrong is wrong and there is not enough hours in a day to be bothered with predjice I know this for sure. I feel no worse for the Jews than I do for the poor kids here in the US dying of starvation and the kids in Africa. While there is no need for it at all it all due to power and greed. Our own Americans are going thru the same **** just under less media scrunity.

[doormonkey]

To Faithchris,

I didn't mean anyone specifically. The entire thread has swerved a bit, that's all. Many have contributed. I have my reasons for having done so. The first post's link was not attached to the quote that was posted. I looked all over for it. The BBC may have changed it when they checked their facts and found them lacking in credibility. The BBC does that sort of thing, especially where Israel is concerned. The actual quote didn't quite support the theory being posited, so I chose not to address that specific issue.

The topic of the original post by the Administrator was how easily the government can manipulate soldiers to do any evil thing they might want, including turning against their own citizens.

I don't see where I went off topic I am talking about what is happening and what will happen here. I don't feel sorry for myself by no means I am fed up and angry and upset to see what our future and childrens future holds.
I don't care if you are Jewish, Muslum, Afican American, Indian, who ever whatever wrong is wrong and there is not enough hours in a day to be bothered with predjice I know this for sure. I feel no worse for the Jews than I do for the poor kids here in the US dying of starvation and the kids in Africa. While there is no need for it at all it all due to power and greed. Our own Americans are going thru the same **** just under less media scrunity.
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God Bless All !!

Here, in America, entire communities are not being dismantled within two weeks for the single reason that they profess a certain religion. Oh yeah...second reason...a distant superpower wants them out. Americans are not going through the same thing. If they ever do, it will be obvious to everyone.

[BoyntonStu]

Originally Posted by doormonkey

The compensation packages don't cut it. They're only 60 cents on the dollar.

Where did you get the 60% from?

stU

Stu won't answer the hard questions, as I have proven.

But I repeat myself. (again)

Henry Franklin

[doormonkey]

Where did you get the 60% from?

stU

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Heard it on Arutz Sheva. A lot of numbers have been tossed around though. The businesses, from what I've heard are getting much less than that, some nothing. The deal with selling the greenhouses was, if I remember correctly, 20% of what they're worth. Doesn't pay to be a successful businessman I guess, not if you're Jewish and live in the wrong part of Eretz Israel, which seems to be a lot of land these days. The International Version of the JPost says there is a lot of negotiating going on, and people are seriously considering going back to the '67 borders...otherwise known as Aushwitz borders. That would mean giving up the Golan as well. There may be some "generous" concessions in that some of the main settlement blocks around Jerusalem might be "allowed" to be kept intact. It amazes me, the double standards the world imposes on Israel. It amazes me more that Israel allows it over and over and over.

Stu won't answer the hard questions, as I have proven.

But I repeat myself. (again)

Henry Franklin
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Trinity: "Neo, no one has ever done anything like this before."

Neo: "That's why it's going to work."

To this guy, Bowman?...yes, we heard. Several times in fact. Maybe Stu doesn't consider your questions very important to answer? Maybe they're not hard questions, just not as relevant to Israeli politics as they are to US politics? We get the message. You know how to type in LARGE FONTS...so can you drop it already? Man, some people take awhile to catch on. I'm sure you're intentions are good (compensation certainly doesn't make up for being tossed off your land) but it's getting on my nerves already...anyone second that?

If it really outrages you that much Bowman, then complain to the Pres, to Condi, to the Committee on Middle Eastern Affairs, to your Senator, to your Reps, because the United States has a LOT more to do with this than most Americans would care to know. Sharon's arm was probably nearly twisted OFF...I'm sure they were threatened with being turned into another Yugoslavia if they didn't agree to deep withdrawals. I have inside knowledge that the upper echelon of our government's view Israel thusly: They don't give a rat's *** about Israel, that America won't be great without cheap oil, so if Israel's existence gets in the way, then they will make sure Israel is no longer an issue. This person has been told as much in so many words by folks way up in the government. He heard it with his own ears, and he had to sit down for quite some time to collect himself, nearly lost his dinner too. Sad but true.

[Sheps]

We are there! We have been there! It was excelerated in 2000!

Get ready folks! The immenant battle is about to take place. It will not be from some cave dwellers in Afganistan!

We are our own enemy!!!!!!! We will destroy ourselves!!!!! Simply because the people (majority) do not see!

Men in authority will always think that criticism of their policies is dangerous. They will always equate their policies with patriotism, and find criticism subversive: Henry Steele Commager - (1902-1998) Historian and author
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There are no boundaries in this struggle to the death. We cannot be indifferent to what happens anywhere in the world, for a victory by any country over imperialism is our victory: Ernesto Che Guevara
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Wars throughout history have been waged for conquest and plunder.... the working class who fight all the battles, the working class who make the supreme sacrifices, the working class who freely shed their blood and furnish their corpses, have never yet had a voice in either declaring war or making peace. It is the ruling class that invariably does both. They alone declare war and they alone make peace....They are continually talking about their patriotic duty. It is not their but your patriotic duty that they are concerned about. There is a decided difference. Their patriotic duty never takes them to the firing line or chucks them into the trenches. Eugene V. Debs