Katrina a Hoax? Smells like Bush manipulation to me.

Ice, Fulltitle, All,



I feel compelled to apologize for the long rambling posts.



I have had some success in dealing with the local tyrants and know that words can have an impact, even without documentation.



Something I read here sent my mind back reminiscing and I have been mixing some of the videos of government oppression in N.O. with some bad personal experiences from a time when I was unprepared to deal with the Alphabet soup. Normally I do not have a defeatist attitude and whole heartedly believe in resisting tyrants. Sometimes it is irritating that we must have ducks in a row, perfect paperwork, and sometimes educate a dumbed down jury. In the long run though the truth is on our side.



Fulltitle, That was him Michael New. Thanks for the Link.



SJ, thanks for providing a forum for such free discussions to occur.

BTW if you caught the speech tonight I was almost taken in, until we got to the we have to have expanded government and militarty do deal with situations like this. Typical, . . . read my tag line it explains it clearly.


I'll shut up now and let y'all get back to discussing the manipulation.



Regards,

Saga..

[Ice]

Agreed for the most part; the key words here in the quote of the cases (previous post) though was No Duty To Protect. The preface has no real meaning if there is No Duty in the first place. If you read the whole D.C. case quoted (previous post) you will find the cops responded in a fairly timely manner. The perps heard them stopped and kept everyone quiet. Cops knock on door. No one answers, they leave. Neighbor calls cops again; cops show up again, drive around the building, leave. If that is not willful and wanton neglect please define that for me so that a 6 year old could comprehend. Again the key word is that there is NO DUTY to protect so how can one claim a willful and wanton neglect of "a duty to protect" if there is . . . no duty to protect, everything else is smoke and mirror fluf to disguise that fact that there is no duty. BTW after an incident a year ago where my neighbors had to depend upon me for some assistance when he was away, and she was home with child, they both reversed their view on having instruments of individual protection.

And you expected the cops to break into the house and violate property rights?? What would you have done had you been in their shoes? Would you have thought that maybe the call was a prank? If the neighbor that called wasn't going to get directly involved by speaking to the officers when they showed up then what do you expect? No, I haven't read the case and I really don't have time to. Hell, I don't have time to be here.

Ice

[fulltitle]

WITHOUT PREJUDICE
I was mulling over a reply. But, see in your own replies and in Ice's reply there you have an example or examples: they are not all mighty and they know it. There are things that they fear and one of them is having the same authority that they may at times wield heartlessly being lawfully and legally used against them *if* you know how to turn the tables.

Originally Posted by Ice

And you expected the cops to break into the house and violate property rights?? What would you have done had you been in their shoes? Would you have thought that maybe the call was a prank? If the neighbor that called wasn't going to get directly involved by speaking to the officers when they showed up then what do you expect? No, I haven't read the case and I really don't have time to. Hell, I don't have time to be here.

Ice

To answer your query:
No.
I wouldn't be in their shoes. I have some family members who are. . . . 3 out of 4 of them are a$$ holes. . . . Come to think of it maybe I'd be good at it.
IMHO She should have been making a call to the cororner.

I was using the cases to point out the fact that the government employees say they have no duty to the people; so why do most still act like slaves?

Here is some reading on dial 911 and die if anyone is interested.
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/911.html

and Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership (JPFO) lists a book by Richard W. Stevens called Dial 911 and Die. http://www.jpfo.org/dial911anddie.htm


Quote from JPFO bout the book.
"The notion that the police have no legal obligation in most instances to protect the life, property, and rights of any given individual -- while at the same time spending unthinkable amounts of time and energy attempting to deprive that individual of the means and legal right to self-defense -- puts the lie to every claim for government that statists have ever made."

[gatorguy3]

You conspiracy theorists need to get better information. Katrina was achieved by our government?????

you people are really sick...I can understand trying to get to the depths of troubles with law and family...but this is rediculous.

[weishaupt1776]

A lawyer tells the stormtroopers to leave his city
http://www.riotvideo.com/New_Orleans_Evacuation.html

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by gatorguy3

You conspiracy theorists need to get better information. Katrina was achieved by our government?????

you people are really sick...I can understand trying to get to the depths of troubles with law and family...but this is rediculous.

You're in for a rude awakening, sir

[suijuris]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

A lawyer tells the stormtroopers to leave his city
http://www.riotvideo.com/New_Orleans_Evacuation.html

I like that guy, it made my day when I saw that on TV.

[JohnStuardjr]

read here about it