National ID...Mark of the Beast...READ THIS!

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by idknow

We do not kill prophets anymore.

If they made a mistake in years past then forgive them.

Since I have listened to them, I have not heard such an error of claiming to be
prophets; As I said, they all say they are analysing the news in context of
God's word.

That is NOT prophecy.

As for "real soon now", we ARE to have an expectant hope that Our Savior
returns any second now; did the Van Impe's set a date?

Using scripture analysis to determine a season is NOT prophecy nor date-setting
and as far as I know Neither Hal nor Hack have set dates.

Finally, in this commerce-driven economy and activity, approval of someone
by their audience is clearly shown by Nielson ratings.

For myself, I'm disappointed that TBN no longer carries Hal's show - it's
been a few months now and I miss his analysis.

This is best diffused diplomatically with my restatement that Futurism and Rapture Theory are errant in my opinion.

As for "real soon now", we ARE to have an expectant hope that Our Savior returns any second now...

The charismatic brand of Christianity adhering to the doctrine of futurism is the most pernicious form of appeasement I have seen yet. The foundation is that the Book of Revelation was a divinely inspired delivery exclusive to its' writer John the Divine. However a cursory look into Judaism at the time reveals that it was a summary of that religion and it has been incorporated into the canon.

The basis for this is in the Pentateuch (first five books). Moses was obviously the archtype of the Messiah of God (ben Joseph). However Moses was not pure to move into the Holy Land. That had to descend upon Joshua (Yehoshuah) who is symbolized by the purity of the King David symbol - ergo Messiah ben David at the end of the Book of Revelation. A good book about this is The Messiah Texts. It is a topical compilation of all the major commentaries about the Messiah.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[squirrel]

The MARK of the BEAST.

http://www.usatrace.com/ssntrace.html looks to be an identifier.

You cannot operate in commerce without it !!!
Everyone in the world has one. "Except those who came out of her".
Different countries use a different name for the sytem, but it's all the same.

Keeping your eye off the ball with nonsense, to try and hide what is ALLREADY HERE !

http://www.ssa.gov/

http://themarkofthebeast.com/

Woe to those prophets who make false profits, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magistrate

[macerico]

Originally Posted by squirrel

The MARK of the BEAST....

Interesting. I might run my number to see what it says.

On the whole Social Sercurity is the 666 thing, it has major flaws.

1. The Mark of the Beast is to be MANDATORY. Refusing it means that you will first be cut off from participating in society and likely hunted down and killed. At this point (in spite of how it looks), having a SSN is still VOLUNTARY. Yes, many are lied to into taking the number, but they have the ability to say "no" and walk away with nothing more than more headaches than the average bear.

2. There is NO DOUBT that the SSN was intended to lay the groundwork for the eventual Mark of the Beast.

This is why a "national ID" is so heinous. They want to make it mandatory, and it will promote a "Mark of the Beast" infrastructure in ways the SSN COULD NOT accomplish.

We're not there yet, but it's almost here. Not having a SSN is ideal. If you have one, stop using it and live without it. DO NOT take a national ID.

[mrg]

Originally Posted by macerico

Interesting. I might run my number to see what it says.

On the whole Social Sercurity is the 666 thing, it has major flaws.

1. The Mark of the Beast is to be MANDATORY. Refusing it means that you will first be cut off from participating in society and likely hunted down and killed. At this point (in spite of how it looks), having a SSN is still VOLUNTARY. Yes, many are lied to into taking the number, but they have the ability to say "no" and walk away with nothing more than more headaches than the average bear.

2. There is NO DOUBT that the SSN was intended to lay the groundwork for the eventual Mark of the Beast.

This is why a "national ID" is so heinous. They want to make it mandatory, and it will promote a "Mark of the Beast" infrastructure in ways the SSN COULD NOT accomplish.

We're not there yet, but it's almost here. Not having a SSN is ideal. If you have one, stop using it and live without it. DO NOT take a national ID.

2008

Veri-Chip RFID

[squirrel]

The bible did not say it would be mandatory.

[David Merrill]

Nobody asked Layla...

[idknow]

Originally Posted by David Merrill

This is best diffused diplomatically with my restatement
that Futurism and Rapture Theory are errant in my opinion.

The charismatic brand of Christianity adhering to the doctrine of futurism is
the most pernicious form of appeasement I have seen yet. The foundation is that
the Book of Revelation was a divinely inspired delivery exclusive to its'
writer John the Divine. However a cursory look into Judaism at the time reveals
that it was a summary of that religion and it has been incorporated into the
canon.

The basis for this is in the Pentateuch (first five books). Moses was obviously
the archtype of the Messiah of God (ben Joseph). However Moses was not pure to
move into the Holy Land. That had to descend upon Joshua (Yehoshuah) who is
symbolized by the purity of the King David symbol - ergo Messiah ben David at
the end of the Book of Revelation. A good book about this is The Messiah
Texts. It is a topical compilation of all the major commentaries about the
Messiah.


Regards,

David Merrill.

ok, i've been contemplating on what and how I should answer this reply.

I didnt ask anything that requires a displomatic answer; I do not entertain fear, nor do I believe
that you do.

1. your opening sentence admits your disdain for what you call "futurism and rapture theory"

A. it is contrary to our father's will that YOU be arbiter of someone else's faith;
Prove your statement or retract it please.

2. [2nd para.] we are out of here acording to what Paul told the Thessalonians, which
was a reiterance of what he told them face to face.

3. texts about the text are not my primary source, I study scripture first and foremost.
I dont "read around the word".

All sripture must be internally in agreement with itself where no error in translation
or abridgement or addition is found.

I'm sure you know well that it is written that no scripture is of any private interpretation,
meaning that it is self interpreting, or self-explaining. I dont have a problem for those
who seek out external information to gather more historical information but by and large,
that external information is not necessary for building one's faith.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by idknow

ok, i've been contemplating on what and how I should answer this reply.

I didnt ask anything that requires a displomatic answer; I do not entertain fear, nor do I believe
that you do.

1. your opening sentence admits your disdain for what you call "futurism and rapture theory"

Well put. It is beyond disagreement for me because I worshipped with Charismatics for a long while - with a gold fringed flag in the sanctuary. The pastor and I debated over that quite a bit.

A. it is contrary to our father's will that YOU be arbiter of someone else's faith;
Prove your statement or retract it please.

Here I feel it is you who rejects me to be the arbiter of your faith. Fine. Because it would be on the presumption you might have been looking for such an arbiter over the Internet. I feel I was expressing my opinions. I am free to do that and will not retract it or them. As for proof, read on in green.

2. [2nd para.] we are out of here acording to what Paul told the Thessalonians, which
was a reiterance of what he told them face to face.

In my opinion Paul was quite the coward and heretic. He purchased Roman citizenship to get out of floggings and created the Christian religion in that image as a weapon against Roman aggression and occupation toward Israel. He lied to James when he returned (with Mnason, a Cypriot Jew) about spending alms intended for the Ebionite widows to acquire his citizenship even lying about the ship's route through Cyprus. When the lie was discovered, the Jews suddenly were out to kill Paul with a vengence! - Starvation pacts and Paul fleeing for his life; lowering himself out windows by rope and finally hiding in jail for two years under the Roman marshal Felix.

Paul's plan to build a weapon worked too well. [And finally he was in the heart of Rome under house arrest writing what you are reading as Gospel Truth - including the Book of Romans chapter 13.] In the Roman culture of gladiators and just plain meanness life was cheap unless it was your own. The passive-aggressive stance of the Christians was quite baffling. Paul was bounty hunter after the fugitive survivor Jesus of Nazareth. Surviving the Cross was stirring up rumors about the properly coronated king of Israel being a pagan icon of Rebirth and even Virgin Birth - pagan icons of the Winter Solstice - Christmas. (Jesus was born during Tabernacles, not at the Solstice.) Peter, the violent one, went ahead of Paul to Damascus and both Jesus and Peter confronted Paul on the Road. They caught him alone during the siesta and scared Paul to the point he gave up; but instead of retrieving Jesus for a final execution debacle in Jerusalem Shaul changed his name to Paul and fomented an idea using the pagan beliefs he was familiar with being from Tarsus, Cecilia.

It might give the Reader a proper impression about my biblical beliefs to hybridize concepts from Eli Marcus RAVAGE, Robert GRAVES and also Michael BAIGENT.

http://friends-n-family-research.inf...geArticles.zip
http://friends-n-family-research.inf...ll_Lazarus.zip
Chapter from The Nazarene Gospel Restored

It is okay if you disagree. There is a much better forum for religious debate at www.ecclesia.org where I have already written prolifically.


3. texts about the text are not my primary source, I study scripture first and foremost.
I dont "read around the word".

I think you will understand at least that I feel the scripture is highly codified by the Crown Templars in the form of early Freemasonry - King James at 1611. Read the Epistle Dedicatory sometime. You will find it at the beginning of some KJV bibles.

All sripture must be internally in agreement with itself where no error in translation
or abridgement or addition is found.

That in my opinion is the final description of a self-protective mechanism built into scripture by the religious editors. What about contradictions? How about the chapter linked herein. That is a great example. Jesus Christ's crown achievement, bringing Lazarus back to life, is found in only one Gospel. That spits in the face of reasonable documentation.

I'm sure you know well that it is written that no scripture is of any private interpretation,
meaning that it is self interpreting, or self-explaining. I dont have a problem for those
who seek out external information to gather more historical information but by and large,
that external information is not necessary for building one's faith.

I can assure you that I have the faith of Jesus Christ. I simply do not look at God and Jesus through the typical Christian lense. I fully expect that Jesus is the Messiah of God prophecied of in the Old Covenant. I simply fail to accept that God needed to instill anything supernatural into that man in order for him to fulfil the prophecies. [On the other side of this coin I feel that the backlash has caused the Jews an infectious flak. They reject Jesus is the Messiah errantly simply because of the repulsive pagan integrations from Paul's Asia Minor excursions.]

If you are to respond with logic I can follow you will point out chapters in the Old Covenant that indicate the Messiah of God will be endowed with the supernatural power of Resurrection.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[idknow]

Originally Posted by David Merrill

I can assure you that I have the faith of Jesus Christ. I
simply do not look at God and Jesus through the typical Christian lense. I
fully expect that Jesus is the Messiah of God prophecied of in the Old
Covenant. I simply fail to accept that God needed to instill anything
supernatural into that man in order for him to fulfil the prophecies.
[On the other side of this coin I feel that the backlash has caused the Jews an
infectious flak. They reject Jesus is the Messiah errantly simply because of
the repulsive pagan integrations from Paul's Asia Minor excursions.]

If you are to respond with logic I can follow you will point out chapters in
the Old Covenant that indicate the Messiah of God will be endowed with the
supernatural power of Resurrection.


Regards,

David Merrill.

David, my anointed brother, i dont doubt that you are as I have addressed you
to the left here and I dont question that you are faithful; so why are you
casting aspersions on those who believe what you previously wrote disdain for?

Every one takes different steps on the one true path to the top of the
mountain; not all strides are the same, but we all walk the same One Way.

all that Jesus did was Speak. That's all that I do. "and you shall do greater
because I go to the father"

it's not rocket science. it's all prophecy - that is, it's all done by
speaking to the mountain, the stream, the tree or the air oand to whatever else
is encouraging, preventing or interfering.

again, it's not rocket science, it's speaking. As for the Israelites, goyim
and everyone else, the scales were prophecied until the days of goyim be
concluded; you and I and all the rest of our anointing siblings are now neither
of those two; for in christ (anointing) there is no difference, neither greek
nor jew, bond nor free, but all are anointed.

as for their "rejection", it wasnt because of any paganosity, i loathe to use
high-level words where simple and clear will do; it is because of FEAR.

that's all, nothing special, they knew, they ALL knew who Joshua was when he walked
among them, on the roads and in Jerusalem, they all knew.

Those who did know who he was didnt reject him blindly.

As for subsequent generations, they were taught lies and misinformation to learn fear.

as for your last paragraph, it is only the logic of our father's word that I wish to understand
and I'm not really looking to engage in a debate nor apologetic with or against you.

we are what our father in heaven says we are;

we are what our father says our brother jesus is;

and therefore we are what jesus is.

and if you say that jesus isnt x or not y, then you also reduce us each in power and ability, and yourself too.

is that what you want to do?

with love,

[David Merrill]

The aspersion as you put it, is that Christians are willing to forgive the TV prophets even when the Y2K and other deadlines have proven them false. I am not casting aspersions on people who feel differently about the New Covenant than I do. I understand the purpose of concealing the Bloodline and there is a lot of wisdom in allowing the faithful to proceed in faith.

...they ALL knew who Joshua was when he walked among them, on the roads and in Jerusalem, they all knew.

It is unclear whether you mean the Christian Living-God in-the-flesh come to save us from our sins Jesus or the Messiah of God prophecied in the Old Covenant. I say this because you seem to be evading what I propose to be common ground - Where in the Old Covenant does it say anything about the Messiah being supernatural in any way?

Therefore I can assume you mean the more pragmatic sense of everyone knowing who Jesus was - that they recognized a peasant-king and were hopeful that he was both the Messiah ben Joseph and the Messiah ben David in mainstream Jewish thought at that time. Or in the alternative they figured the First Advent - Messiah ben Joseph meant salvation for Israel and freedom from the Roman occupation was soon to be ended by Messiah ben David soon whether it was Jesus or somebody else.

Originally Posted by the last enacting clause of the New Covenant

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

That brings us back to the pastors on the TV and failure to call false prophets on thier craft when they prophecy falsely. The Christian pastors will avoid the Worthless Shepherd prophecy at all costs when that is the one prophecy Jesus had left to fulfil before he could comprehend the fullness of his Messianic mission:

Zechariah's Prophecy attached. Note that the events have been reordered to fit better to Western thought. Robert Graves and Joshua Podro speculated that was the source of such misunderstanding; the verse order had been translated too literally from the Hebrew.

In the scope of the Israelite writings of the time, many of which were never canonized, Jesus knew that since he was king of Israel he must speak falsely in order to fulfill that last prophecy. So he wasted no time. He barked the fig tree on the King's Road; the path David entered Jerusalem in his underwear and danced up to the Temple, remember? That is to say he killed the most obvious symbol of Jerusalem, a fig tree and indicated that the God of Israel had forsaken Israel.

Well that is all the zealots needed to hear. If thieves were caught stealing then it was far more likely the Romans would have not gotten involved at all but to remand the thieves to the Jews for justice in that system. They would not have been remanded back for crucifixion. So the two thieves were zealots who took the new king literally and committed the crime of violence against the Roman occupation.

Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.

Was not said for the Jews and Romans crucifying Jesus. Jesus was begging the Father in heaven because Jesus had deceived the two men into taking up arms with his false prophecy the day before.

Judas knew the score scripturally. He was to spend the purse on a sword and because of the Brady Bill in place that would be very expensive. Judas chickened out and instead hoped that the Herodian Guard would talk his friend into giving up the tyraid about being King of Jerusalem, sparing his life or a lot of grief defending that position from the Roman occupation. So Jesus let the Ebionite apostles drink wine for the first time in months and upon Judas not returning to execute himself, Jesus had to send a drunken Paul out to buy swords and with the purse gone with Judas, Paul had to pay with coats. When Paul bought two swords while the job only required one, Jesus resorted to praying because it seemed that Judas had indeed betrayed Jesus; by not killing him and fulfilling the Worthless Shepherd prophecy.

The American Christian pastors steer clear of the prophecy because it means that some of the things that happened in Jerusalem that Passover were intentional false teachings. And there are enough discrepancies between the Gospels already without having to discern exactly when Jesus was lying and telling the truth.


Regards,

David Merrill.