Is the END of things as we have known them in this country imminent?!!

[David Merrill]

Thank you Brozer5.

[freeindeed]

Got another email from a friend who has done some digging. Seems the "Red Dollar" thing has popped up before. One of the problems we have in the "patriot" movement is there is much disinformation. I am sure quite a bit of it is deliberate to distort and confuse. It is very frustrating trying to discern between truth and fiction.

After most of receiving a bunch of hoopla about the red-dollar stuff, I thought this info may be of interest to some of you.



As you know about the supposed “red dollar” which has been rumored to soon be released by some unverifiable sources which have been alleged to originate at the Bureau of Printing and Engraving and/or the US Treasury under absolute secrecy, (indicating the Fed is ordering 2 trillion worth of currency) is not new.



Such a rumor has been circling since Reagan was in office. (review the book “secrets of an economic hit man” also the following article)



I ran across a neat “non-fiction” article which could in a sense be easily compared to a novel written by HG Wells. I think you know the one!



While I can’t vouch for everything in this article, I can tell you, I recognize a reasonable amount of it. Whether it’s meant as truth or not, it is interesting reading . . .



Here’s the link:



http://www.aci.net/Kalliste/money1.htm

[macerico]

I'm not surprised this panned out to be much ado about nothing.

The collapse will come, but as the USA funds most everything the globalists want to do by stealing wealth from Americans, they will prolong a collapse until something forces it to happen or they no longer need our wealth.

[freeindeed]

Originally Posted by macerico

I'm not surprised this panned out to be much ado about nothing.

The collapse will come, but as the USA funds most everything the globalists want to do by stealing wealth from Americans, they will prolong a collapse until something forces it to happen or they no longer need our wealth.

I never said this is "nothing." Doing away with M-3 data is not nothing. Printing two trillion USD is not nothing. I was simply stating that there is disinformation in the "patriot" movement. The dollar being devalued and both silver and gold hitting all time highs is not nothing. Whether the end is now or in the future, make no mistake it is coming. That you can take to the bank. No pun intended. I believe if the PTB have their way it will be sooner. We can disagree on the time line, but not on the end results.

[Admin]

Free,

I like to stay positive in light of everything we discuss on this site. Perhaps something could happen that could prevent the "end" from coming. Like my father always says "The end has been coming for thousands of years."

Originally Posted by freeindeed

Whether the end is now or in the future, make no mistake it is coming.

[freeindeed]

Originally Posted by Admin

Free,

I like to stay positive in light of everything we discuss on this site. Perhaps something could happen that could prevent the "end" from coming. Like my father always says "The end has been coming for thousands of years."

Some see this as a negative and I actually see it as a positive. It means the one who is really in control will return soon. I do not see anything man can do to prevent this from happening. There is already a plan in place and it will be fulfilled. It is only the particulars that are unknown. I believe the events that are taking place are prophecy being fulfilled. It depends on your view of the "end" and what that means to you.

[RickA]

Some see this as a negative and I actually see it as a positive. It means the one who is really in control will return soon. I do not see anything man can do to prevent this from happening. There is already a plan in place and it will be fulfilled. It is only the particulars that are unknown. I believe the events that are taking place are prophecy being fulfilled. It depends on your view of the "end" and what that means to you.

All.....

I believe it is prophecy as well. I've sat under many a Baptist sermon that spoke about a rapture type end, but I've also heard of the end being the end of mans way of doing things, going back to the time(s) when the banks weren't seen or heard. Sadly, I can't say that I've ever known of such a time, in my lifetime that is.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by freeindeed

Doing away with M-3 data is not nothing. Printing two trillion USD is not nothing.

It is true, at least I am convinced that the M3 Reporting has been repealed permanently. The most suspicious aspect about this is that no reporting system has been even suggested to replace it. A few months ago we were discussing this on the Longwaves forum, where I believe several macroeconomic commentators of note like to loosen their ties, so to speak. Informed but yet nobody is committed to what they may write. There were different views and one educated fellow pointed out that M3 reporting was not that important or effective for forecasting. Maybe so. Nobody could really explain why not implement a more important and effective reporting system. And nobody really seemed to think it closely related to Iran opening its oil bourse on the petro euro, at the same moment.*

Well the items I want to know - aside from the obvious, how to verify a secret influx of FRNs (I think the red dollar is a red herring that somehow got into the conversation) - is the validity of a quotation attributed to Chairman Bernanke just before he took office... something about dropping money from helicopters if that is what it took. Did he really say that or is it just generated gossip or whatever, like this $2t rumor? I recall reading the opening article of this thread and thinking, "Great! Nobody can validate it because it is openly a secret!"

http://www.federalreserve.gov/boardd...02/default.htm

I get the Federal Reserve Bulletin regularly and usually play it over the text-to-speech in the mornings while getting ready. I recall nothing about dropping money from helicopters? Can somebody help me with that?

This sounds a lot like the Dove of Oneness and her spoof on the NESARA bill, which never even made it to Congress. The basis of NESARA in the world of Dove anyway was a secret law passed under the Clinton Administration. I propose that you consider the likelihood of secret law. It is somewhat of an oxymoron to me anyway. I suppose there are books full of secret laws hidden away where I never get to read them. Should I be concerned?


Regards,

David Merrill.


* Which is another topic that dropped off my radar. I noted that the hatred doctrine of the BUSH Admin is escalating - Iran's missile testing intimately links to nuclear testing in the passive and inebriated minds of the TV audience. Missiles are conventional weaponry that can be used to carry nuclear warheads. However now that nuclear is on the tips of tongues, Iran cannot test missiles too; get it? Misdirection and juxtapositioning symbols.

Back to my question though; Did Iran implement the Bourse as planned around March 20 on the petro euro?

[freeindeed]

Originally Posted by David Merrill

It is true, at least I am convinced that the M3 Reporting has been repealed permanently. The most suspicious aspect about this is that no reporting system has been even suggested to replace it. A few months ago we were discussing this on the Longwaves forum, where I believe several macroeconomic commentators of note like to loosen their ties, so to speak. Informed but yet nobody is committed to what they may write. There were different views and one educated fellow pointed out that M3 reporting was not that important or effective for forecasting. Maybe so. Nobody could really explain why not implement a more important and effective reporting system. And nobody really seemed to think it closely related to Iran opening its oil bourse on the petro euro, at the same moment.*

Well the items I want to know - aside from the obvious, how to verify a secret influx of FRNs (I think the red dollar is a red herring that somehow got into the conversation) - is the validity of a quotation attributed to Chairman Bernanke just before he took office... something about dropping money from helicopters if that is what it took. Did he really say that or is it just generated gossip or whatever, like this $2t rumor? I recall reading the opening article of this thread and thinking, "Great! Nobody can validate it because it is openly a secret!"

http://www.federalreserve.gov/boardd...02/default.htm

I get the Federal Reserve Bulletin regularly and usually play it over the text-to-speech in the mornings while getting ready. I recall nothing about dropping money from helicopters? Can somebody help me with that?

This sounds a lot like the Dove of Oneness and her spoof on the NESARA bill, which never even made it to Congress. The basis of NESARA in the world of Dove anyway was a secret law passed under the Clinton Administration. I propose that you consider the likelihood of secret law. It is somewhat of an oxymoron to me anyway. I suppose there are books full of secret laws hidden away where I never get to read them. Should I be concerned?


Regards,

David Merrill.


* Which is another topic that dropped off my radar. I noted that the hatred doctrine of the BUSH Admin is escalating - Iran's missile testing intimately links to nuclear testing in the passive and inebriated minds of the TV audience. Missiles are conventional weaponry that can be used to carry nuclear warheads. However now that nuclear is on the tips of tongues, Iran cannot test missiles too; get it? Misdirection and juxtapositioning symbols.

Back to my question though; Did Iran implement the Bourse as planned around March 20 on the petro euro?

David, you have asked some questions that I am sure many of us would like answered. Whether there is two trillion USD being created and in the process of printing is something I have no proof of. But the M-3 reporting being done away with so that there is no way for the public, investors or bond holders to know how much currency exists - and no way to gauge how much a "dollar" is truly worth just adds credibility to the report of two trillion USD being created.

I agree that the red dollars is indeed a red herring. Whether this has anything to do with NESARA, I doubt it. I have no proof that it is not, but to me the fact that discontinuance of M-3 reporting has been verified says much to me that this has alot more credibility than NESARA and Dove of Oneness BS.

I have seen nothing to indicate, yet, that the Iranian Bourse took place either. Like I have said it is difficult to separate fact from fiction. Some things are verifiable and some are not.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by freeindeed

David, you have asked some questions that I am sure many of us would like answered. Whether there is two trillion USD being created and in the process of printing is something I have no proof of. But the M-3 reporting being done away with so that there is no way for the public, investors or bond holders to know how much currency exists - and no way to gauge how much a "dollar" is truly worth just adds credibility to the report of two trillion USD being created.

My hunch is that the repeal of M3 Reporting led to a rumor being generated. The teller knowing that we are now blind and have no way to know.

I agree that the red dollars is indeed a red herring. Whether this has anything to do with NESARA, I doubt it. I have no proof that it is not, but to me the fact that discontinuance of M-3 reporting has been verified says much to me that this has alot more credibility than NESARA and Dove of Oneness BS.

I was not associating red dollars with NESARA. I was using the rediculous metaphysics of the Dove of Oneness to make a point - there is no such thing as secret law; likewise I think that Congress would be stirring things up about $2t dumped into the stream. However that is explained away by the rumor too - Congress is too busy with the immigration OJ/thing.

I have seen nothing to indicate, yet, that the Iranian Bourse took place either. Like I have said it is difficult to separate fact from fiction. Some things are verifiable and some are not.

I have a feeling the Iranian Bourse has come into effect as planned. I have the SW radio programmed to play BBC from 3-3:40 am. So maybe my feeling is based on something I heard while asleep. I believe that important items stick in my subconscious.



Regards,

David Merrill.