Rebuttals to Debunking 9/11 Myths

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

Being a Farmer from the 9th century in Very Olde Engeland:

I only know what I can see. (don't care much for reading...)

So here is what I "saw".

I saw a hole in the Pentagon too small for a 747, with a clean front lawn and no wreckage.

I saw 3 towers collapse at nearly the speed of gravity, one layer atop another, exactly as a controlled demolition.

Only two of these towers were hit by anything. It takes weeks to wire-up a skyscraper for collapse.

The two flying objects that actually hit the larger 'twin towers' had to be guided in by remote, since the maneuver is too difficult even for experienced pilots.

I saw small fragments strewn over a remote Pennsylvania forest where a burning hulk of crashed jumbo jet was supposed to be.

See, I don't know much, yet I saw enough.

Now here's what I personally remember:

a news blurb from before 2001 (1999-2000?) giving that "u.s. intelligence officials were meeting with top-level hollywood moguls to discuss terrorism scenarios". I am not kidding, I remember reading this in a newspaper- it was a small back-page item from a wire service.

The whole scenario has that "jerry bruckheimer" hollywood explosion style to it, so this blurb now makes more sense. Hollywood is the "dream factory", after all...

I also remember being told, in April 2001 (5 months earlier) by an acquaintance in the military (low-level, a medical person) that the organization was training and gearing up for "war in the middle east this fall".

Thought nothing of it at the time. Apparently this was correct.

So in conclusion:

3 out of 4 supposedly hijacked jets could not have done what they are supposed to have done. Odds are that's 4 out of 4- maybe to account for the 4th plane.

[robhalford88]

Originally Posted by Lawdog

The guy who wrote the book you linked to, David Ray Griffin, is a retired professor of religion and theology who used to teach at lower-tier schools like the University of Dayton. He has no scientific or engineering credentials.

The editors of Popular Mechanics consulted literally dozens of scientists and engineers, many with Ph.D.'s, all of whom were happy to let their names be listed as contributors.

You want to believe some third-rate theology professor, go ahead. I'll stick with the scientists and engineers.

Qualifications are NOT the beall and endall of someones competancy. What qualifications did Leonardo Da Vinci or Nikola Tesla have?

[mrg]

Originally Posted by BOBT12

Whatever happened to the lost art of thinking for one's self?

People keep getting put in prison for it?

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by mrg

People keep getting put in prison for it?

Perhaps. Nevertheless, people get 9-11 gifts, perpetual war, and complete tyranny for the lack of it?

"A standing military force with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger have been always the instrument of tyranny at home." -- James Madison, Constitutional Convention, June 29, 1787

"War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, debts and taxes are the known instrument for bringing the many under the domination of the few....

"In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the mind, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people.... -- James Madison, "Political Observations," April 20, 1795

[mrg]

Originally Posted by BOBT12

Whatever happened to the lost art of thinking for one's self?

People keep getting put in prison for it?

Originally Posted by BOBT12

Perhaps. Nevertheless, people get 9-11 gifts, perpetual war, and complete tyranny for the lack of it?

Yes indeed.

Thoreau got put into jail for "Civil" "Disobedience."

Emerson came to see him and asked, "What are you doing in there?"

To which Thoreau replied, What are YOU doing out there?"

[BOBT12]

It is good to see that some office holders won't simply bury their heads in the sand:

Outspoken Arizona Senator Questions 9/11 Official Version Of Events
An Arizona state Senator who went public with questions over the official government version of events on 9/11 has provided further details of her position and why she chose to make her views known.

"I guess I define myself as a truth seeker, that is what I want, I want to find the truth." says Senator Karen Johnson, representative of Mesa’s District 18 for nearly two decades.

In an short interview (see video below), the Republican Senator explained that in the many in the Arizona legislature have privately told her they agree with her position but are too afraid or are unable to start asking the same questions themselves. Johnson echoed her previous statements when she told Capitol reporters "There are many of us that believe there’s been a cover-up."

"There are so many unanswered questions regarding 9/11 and there never ever would have even been a Commission called for by Mr Bush and the Federal Government if it hadn’t have been for the Jersey Girls." Johnson said, referring to the activist group of widowed mothers and wives from New Jersey and New York who have continued to question the events of 9/11.

"When Bush appointed Henry Kissinger, of all people, to head up that Commission, those Jersey Girls asked for a press conference with him. They went in there and started asking him about all his ties with the Bin Laden family… and he backed down." She continued.

Senator Johnson was attacked by the media for voicing her questions over 9/11 last week in the midst of a controversial debate concerning a 9/11 memorial in Arizona which contains phrases and thoughts of residents there.

The Arizona state Senate voted on legislation concerning what sort of remembrance phrases the 9/11 Memorial should include. The legislation would have extracted some locutions that were critical of the U.S. and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

A vote in the Senate Appropriations Committee had the measure passing narrowly - until it came to Johnson, whose vote against changing the memorial’s phrases created a tie, killing the legislation for now.

As Johnson explains in the video, the monument was privately funded, placed on privately owned land with no State involvement. Therefore, in her opinion, the State should not claim authority over what appears on the monument, and should not claim to preside over people’s opinions of the 9/11 attacks.
As shown in the video below, some of the phrases also hint at government prior knowledge of the attacks and the backing off of the intelligence agencies in the months prior to 9/11. Thanks to Karen Johnson these will remain on the monument for now.

"Who are we as a legislature to tell these private folks what they can and can’t do with that monument?" Johnson commented.
Watch the Interview with Karen Johnson:
Sen. Johnson is renowned for her outspoken politics and devotion to the US constitution.

However, she will not continue in office after this year despite serving nearly two decades, because as she explains:
"I can’t handle serving any longer with the folks that I sit with… The majority of them are more worried about passing a bill about talking on your cell phone as you go down the freeway than the fact that our country is falling down around us."

http://www.infowars.com/?p=1820

The suppression of evidence ought to be taken as evidence. [L] Cato's Letters, #22, p. 159, 164.

[bell]

At the risk of going against the status quo , 911 was not a set up and it happened just like the government says.

Like an earlier post on the thread, the fellow wrote how he knows what he has seen with his own eyes.

I follow his example, what I hear are people trying to convince other people that 911 was a way inside job.

What I see are these same people trying to do the convincing, going on with their material/consumption addicted lives as if nothing did happen.

Makes it all look like a bad joke.

Does anyone know of anyone else or a community of people that have dropped out of the system because of their beleifs in the 911 tale?

How bout some rebels in the hills?

When GB lied about Iraq he backed it up with some action to support his (fruadulent) view, he sent in troops.

What do 911 truthers do to support their view, buy fresh boxes of tissues?

oi vei

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

Originally Posted by bell

Does anyone know of anyone else or a community of people that have dropped out of the system because of their beleifs in the 911 tale?

Its fuel for the fire...people do different things at different times and places. Some before 911, some since. I was having problems with the system long before, and I didnt even make any of these connections until a while after.

What I see are these same people trying to do the convincing, going on with their material/consumption addicted lives as if nothing did happen.

What do 911 truthers do to support their view, buy fresh boxes of tissues?

Thats why things dont rise or fall on any one issue- whatever sparks an individual's motivation in life: there it is.

oi vei

A mentsh tracht und Gott lacht.

http://www.pass.to/glossary/

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by bell

At the risk of going against the status quo , 911 was not a set up and it happened just like the government says.

Many feel there are a large number of unanswered questions.

Originally Posted by bell

Like an earlier post on the thread, the fellow wrote how he knows what he has seen with his own eyes.

Well, I witnessed the collapse of WTC7, it looked like controlled demolition to me.

Originally Posted by bell

I follow his example, what I hear are people trying to convince other people that 911 was a way inside job.

It is more like many, myself included, are presenting evidence regarding the events of 9-11. Individuals are free to review, debate, or ignore the evidence. Thus, they are free to reach a conclusion based upon evidence or ignorance.

Originally Posted by bell

What I see are these same people trying to do the convincing, going on with their material/consumption addicted lives as if nothing did happen.

What does this have to do with the events of 9-11?

Originally Posted by bell

Makes it all look like a bad joke.

Again, how so?

Originally Posted by bell

Does anyone know of anyone else or a community of people that have dropped out of the system because of their beleifs in the 911 tale?

What does it matter? See above for more information.

Originally Posted by bell

How bout some rebels in the hills?

Perhaps this belongs to another discussion?

Originally Posted by bell

When GB lied about Iraq he backed it up with some action to support his (fruadulent) view, he sent in troops.

The Bush Administration cooked intelligence to start the war. How does any of this support the governments position regarding the events of 9-11?

"We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the Sept. 11 [[th] Attacks]." --George W. Bush, CBS News, September 18, 2003

Originally Posted by bell

What do 911 truthers do to support their view, buy fresh boxes of tissues?

Keep putting the issues before the American people, and the world. Indeed, it was because of such action that there is a 9-11 Commission Report in the first place, regardless of how flawed it was.

You may find this interesting:

U.N. Official Calls for Study Of Neocons’ Role in 9/11

New York Sun

May 1, 2008

On March 26, Richard Falk, Milbank professor of international law emeritus at Princeton University, was named by unanimous vote to a newly created position to report on human rights in the conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs. While Mr. Falk’s specialty is human rights and international law, since the attacks in 2001, he has devoted some of his time to challenging what he calls the “9-11 official version.”

On March 24 in an interview with a radio host and former University of Wisconsin instructor, Kevin Barrett, Mr. Falk said, “It is possibly true that especially the neoconservatives thought there was a situation in the country and in the world where something had to happen to wake up the American people. Whether they are innocent about the contention that they made that something happen or not, I don’t think we can answer definitively at this point. All we can say is there is a lot of grounds for suspicion, there should be an official investigation of the sort the 9/11 commission did not engage in and that the failure to do these things is cheating the American people and in some sense the people of the world of a greater confidence in what really happened than they presently possess.”

New York Sun | Israel monitor is calling for an official commission to study the role neocons played in the September 11, 2001 attacks.

http://www.infowars.com/

Originally Posted by bell

oi vei

Back at ya. LOL.

[weishaupt1776]

bell, thanks for proving that mind control and cognitive dissonance exists !