Hmmmmmm

[BoyntonStu]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

The list you posted is not altogether accurate.

There are citations in their works regarding the name of jesus

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/jesusref.html

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/tacitus.html

Such a one transcends time & space

• Luk 16:19**
  "Now there was a certain rich man, and he was clothed in purple and fine linen, living in luxury every day.
  
  Luk 16:20**
  A certain beggar, named El'azar, was laid at his gate, full of sores,
  
  Luk 16:21**
  and desiring to be fed with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table. Yes, even the dogs came and licked his sores.
  
  Luk 16:22**
  It happened that the beggar died, and that he was carried away by the angels to Avraham's bosom. The rich man also died, and was buried.
  
  Luk 16:23**
  In She'ol, he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Avraham far off, and El'azar at his bosom.
  
  Luk 16:24**
  He cried and said, 'Father Avraham, have mercy on me, and send El'azar, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue! For I am in anguish in this flame.'
  
  Luk 16:25**
  "But Avraham said, 'Son, remember that you, in your lifetime, received your good things, and El'azar, in like manner, bad things. But now here he is comforted and you are in anguish.
  
  Luk 16:26**
  Besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, that those who want to pass from here to you are not able, and that none may cross over from there to us.'
  
  Luk 16:27**
  "He said, 'I ask you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house;
  
  Luk 16:28**
  for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, so they won't also come into this place of torment.'
  
  Luk 16:29**
  "But Avraham said to him, 'They have Moshe and the prophets. Let them listen to them.'
  
  Luk 16:30**
  "He said, 'No, father Avraham, but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
  
  Luk 16:31**
  "He said to him, 'If they don't listen to Moshe and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if one rises from the dead.'".

My advice to you stu is to acknowledge , because you have previously copped a guilty plea of being a lying, thieving, blasphemous adulterer at heart(just like every human ever born, besides Yohoshua);
that you are a sinner in the eyes of God.

The Lord suffered the full penalty that you deserved for being a sinner by having the wrath of God taken out on his body on the cross.

His resurrection was proof of his sinlessness in that he didn't have to suffer the penalty of eternal conscious torment as described in Luke 16 above.

Don't become like the rich man, stu, regretting that you never believed and having willingly rejected the truth which could've saved your family from the same punishment

When was Luke born and when did he write his 'Gospel'?

BoyntonStu

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by BoyntonStu

When was Luke born and when did he write his 'Gospel'?

BoyntonStu

Luke was born a lying, thieving, blasphemous adulterer just like you and me, stu.

His birthday doesn't change the temperature of that place the rich man went one bit

[BoyntonStu]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

Luke was born a lying, thieving, blasphemous adulterer just like you and me, stu.

His birthday doesn't change the temperature of that place the rich man went one bit

I know when I was born, and you know when you were born.

When was Luke born?

Or for that matter, in what year and in what month was 'Jesus' born?

Your squirming around to avoid a direct answer is by now assumed.

What exactly was the temperature?


BoyntonStu

[iamfreeru2]

Originally Posted by BoyntonStu

Or for that matter, in what year and in what month was 'Jesus' born?

Where is the relevance of in what year and in what month Jesus was born? Does that really matter? It was not December 25, but who cares? The fact is He was born according to the Scriptures. For what reason do you ask the question?

[David Merrill]

I like to think Jesus was born on or around September 11, 3 BC. That would have been the Feast of Tabernacles and there was an alignment of Jupiter and Regulus that would have appeared as one bright star in the morning East. There are passages that the magi of Babylonia saw this astronomical phenomenon and it indicated it was time to go pay welcome respects to the Messiah of God.

I fancy even that Daniel being a unich and prognosticator (chieftain of the astrologers and sorcerers) provided his will and last testament that the subsequent magi would watch the stars for this marvelous alignment - Regulus is the heart of the Lion in Judah. Download SkyGlobe and check it out for yourself. Maybe the incense and other gifts were actually from Daniel? Jesus seems to pay tribute back to Daniel in Matthew 24:15. Something interesting is that MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN the proverbial Writing on the Wall is the number 2,520 a Week (7x360) encrypted from gerahs, 1/20 of a shekel in weight, like carats with gold.

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/sui...elCalendar.jpg
Daniel's Calendar

From Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike, pp. 842-843


The Star which guided them is that same Blazing Star, the image whereof we find in all initiations. To the Alchemists it is the sign of the Quintessence; to the Magists, the Grand Arcanum; to the Kabalists, the Sacred Pentagram. The study of this Pentagram could not but lead the Magi to the knowledge of the New Name which was about to raise itself above all names, and cause all creatures capable of adoration to bend the knee...

When Truth comes into the world, the Star of Knowledge advises the Magi of it, and they hasten to adore the Infant who creates the Future. It is by means of the Intelligence of the Hierarchy and the practice of obedience, that one obtains Initiation. If the Rulers have the Divine Right to govern, the true Initiate will cheerfully obey.

http://friends-n-family-research.inf...mPentagram.jpg

Then of course John was born to Zachariah and Elizabeth about six months prior to Jesus' birth. Mary paid a visit to Elizabeth when she first suspected she was pregnant and Elizabeth felt the first fetal stirring with John in her womb, probably about her first trimester.



Regards,

David Merrill.

[PANICPASS]

The pentagram pic... is there any significance to the number 21?

[BoyntonStu]

[quote=David Merrill]I like to think Jesus was born on or around September 11, 3 BC.

O.K. We now know what you LIKE TO THINK.

Is it not interesting to note?:

1> Full descrription of a star telling about something special.

2> Born in a manger.

3> 3 wise men.

4> Many etc....


BUT, no one knows when it happened.

This proves to my satisfaction that the STORY was not contemporay to any event. Why record specific details generations after an event?

If there were 3 wise men, did they know how to read and write?

BTW What were their names?


BoyntonStu

[David Merrill]

Dear PanicPass;


The 21 in the drawing is simply the next sum in the sequence. Following that is 21 + 13 = 34. The two addends form 61.5% of each other. That is the intersection of the pentagram, at 61%.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[iamfreeru2]

[quote=BoyntonStu]

Originally Posted by David Merrill

I like to think Jesus was born on or around September 11, 3 BC.

O.K. We now know what you LIKE TO THINK.

Is it not interesting to note?:

1> Full descrription of a star telling about something special.

2> Born in a manger.

3> 3 wise men.

4> Many etc....


BUT, no one knows when it happened.

This proves to my satisfaction that the STORY was not contemporay to any event. Why record specific details generations after an event?

If there were 3 wise men, did they know how to read and write?

BTW What were their names?


BoyntonStu

The date of Yeshua's birth is not the important thing or the it would have been recorded. His death was the most important thing to happen and His resurrection. Again why is the date of His birth so important to you? What does it matter that no one knows the date? It was not meant to be known, thus no recordation. Who cares about the names of the wise men either? If YHWH wanted the date of the birth of Yeshua to be known He would have directed those that wrote manuscripts to record it and also the names of the wise men.

II Peter 1:20,21: "But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation. for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from YHWH."

[BoyntonStu]

Originally Posted by iamfreeru2

The date of Yeshua's birth is not the important thing or the it would have been recorded. His death was the most important thing to happen and His resurrection. Again why is the date of His birth so important to you? What does it matter that no one knows the date? It was not meant to be known, thus no recordation. Who cares about the names of the wise men either? If YHWH wanted the date of the birth of Yeshua to be known He would have directed those that wrote manuscripts to record it and also the names of the wise men.

II Peter 1:20,21: "But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation. for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from YHWH."

You have a fine questioning mind when it comes to challenging most things but not here. If there is no objective data, it wasn't supposed to be.


Imagine accepting the same type of answer given by the IRS or the sheriff when it comes to the 'law'.

"The requirement to pay taxes is not the important thing or (the sic) it would have been recorded."

Just use this answer for all questions.

Why didn't 40 contemporay historians write about Jesus?

"The requirement to (fill in ) is not the important thing or it would have been recorded."


My amazement is why an otherwise good mind would waste a portion of it with this kind of thinking?

You are not alone. Many, if not most folks, buy the IRS, traffic laws, etc. using the same kind of reasoning.



BoyntonStu