Payments to exwife - - are there any options?

[weasel]

I haven't seen any topics on this, and i"m not familiar with the subject, so here goes.

Is there any means of adjusting or ending payments being made to an exwife?
This is not me, its a friend's situation. He's 10 years divorced. Do circumstances matter, like infidelity on her part, or his total custody of children?

[Libertarian]

He can go back to the court and ask for a modification due to changed circumstances.

Infidelity on her part probably doesn't count, because she's his *ex*-wife. But a change in custody should help.

[bell]

I like this question. I dont claim to have your answer but check this out. Whos collecting the money from your friend? If its Child Support/Family Services of any State they are a private corporation and should be handled like any other bill collector. Because your friend was foolish enough to vollunteer to have a decision adjucated for him in Child Support/Family Services private court by an administrator, that judgement stands as the contract and he will have to continue to make payments.

My point is that why would he go back into the same private court for a modification? We already know that fraud has been committed against him, does he want to be defrauded some more? Probably not. If your friend truly believes that he was defrauded into a contract with this private corporation then why doesnt he just stop making payments? When they send the monthly statement why doesnt he just deny the charge, ask for proof and send it back? They have to stop collection action if there is a dispute right? (this only works for 30 days then you have to dispute it again and again) If they ever have him served a summons why would he go into Family Services own private court where it makes decisions against you for itself? Wouldnt he be better off RSVPing them back saying he doesnt agree to allowing them to adjucate a decision for him and never going into their private court? A judgement to make a payment is one thing, a judgement for punishment on not making payments is another and cant happen unless he gives permission, the only thing he really risks here is the credit rating on his strawman but we dont care about that do we?

I myself went thru the Family Court system for visitation, then they jumped me on the child support, i quickly said "i dont give you permission to adjucate a decision on child support, i was foolish enough to allow you to decide on visitation but i refuse to grant you permission to adjucate on support." they were pissed, but, they couldnt make a support decision. By this time i learned never ever ever allow a decision to be adjucated by a private corporation. I also learned that I am better equipped to make my own decisions and that my ex would have to learn to get along with me if she wanted any $$$$. As far as support for the children, what better support can there be but the love and caring of a father for a child. My children do not equivocate into dollars and cents, they are the products of love and as such are love and require love to grow.

(Generally child support/family court is a money making exercise for the wife the attorneys and the court, saying wife is not chauvinistic, remember, Women, not men, are a Federally protected species and as such are protected in court, you as the male are not.)

Your friend is a bit late but he does have options. If he did apply for a modification it would probably go up not down. He could have a lawyer look over his paperwork and see if his ex getting remarried or some such can revoke his need to make payments but this is exposing himself to the fraud again, so he will have to really consider this.

[greatwolf75]

Originally Posted by bell

I like this question. I dont claim to have your answer but check this out. Whos collecting the money from your friend? If its Child Support/Family Services of any State they are a private corporation and should be handled like any other bill collector. Because your friend was foolish enough to vollunteer to have a decision adjucated for him in Child Support/Family Services private court by an administrator, that judgement stands as the contract and he will have to continue to make payments.

My point is that why would he go back into the same private court for a modification? We already know that fraud has been committed against him, does he want to be defrauded some more? Probably not. If your friend truly believes that he was defrauded into a contract with this private corporation then why doesnt he just stop making payments? When they send the monthly statement why doesnt he just deny the charge, ask for proof and send it back? They have to stop collection action if there is a dispute right? (this only works for 30 days then you have to dispute it again and again) If they ever have him served a summons why would he go into Family Services own private court where it makes decisions against you for itself? Wouldnt he be better off RSVPing them back saying he doesnt agree to allowing them to adjucate a decision for him and never going into their private court? A judgement to make a payment is one thing, a judgement for punishment on not making payments is another and cant happen unless he gives permission, the only thing he really risks here is the credit rating on his strawman but we dont care about that do we?

I myself went thru the Family Court system for visitation, then they jumped me on the child support, i quickly said "i dont give you permission to adjucate a decision on child support, i was foolish enough to allow you to decide on visitation but i refuse to grant you permission to adjucate on support." they were pissed, but, they couldnt make a support decision. By this time i learned never ever ever allow a decision to be adjucated by a private corporation. I also learned that I am better equipped to make my own decisions and that my ex would have to learn to get along with me if she wanted any $$$$. As far as support for the children, what better support can there be but the love and caring of a father for a child. My children do not equivocate into dollars and cents, they are the products of love and as such are love and require love to grow.

(Generally child support/family court is a money making exercise for the wife the attorneys and the court, saying wife is not chauvinistic, remember, Women, not men, are a Federally protected species and as such are protected in court, you as the male are not.)

Your friend is a bit late but he does have options. If he did apply for a modification it would probably go up not down. He could have a lawyer look over his paperwork and see if his ex getting remarried or some such can revoke his need to make payments but this is exposing himself to the fraud again, so he will have to really consider this.

You know, this is the best thing that I have ever read concerning child support. This is so much better than reading that senseless mantra that everybody writes "the best interest of the child". I am so freaking tired of that crap. And that's exactly what it is too, a load of crap. I know and know of soooooo many people out there who have had their lives destroyed over "the best interest of the child" child support crap. How anybody can sit there and say that, when a father who ends up homeless for simply wanting to have kids is beyond me. I guess all the morons out there will also think that that is also in "the best interest of the children". Sorry kids, you can't go visit your Dad because your parasite mother sucked everything from him but remember, that was in your best interest. Give me a break. I'm also tired of hearing the excuse, "well you shouldn't have had children then", that's another load of crap. Bell, I thank you for the post, and if what I wrote offended anyone, well what can I say.

[ezrhythm]

Didn't offend me.

Bravo "greatwolf75" bravo!!! Well said.

[fighting_father]

I must agree with Bell, why would you want to contract with a private corp. to have them make decisions for you, are we not competent enough to make decisions on our own.
I have been holding off the system (Sheriff, FMEP, Court) for quite some time now, I will not have joinder with any private corp. until I have my remedy, no remedy no joinder. Means, I only agree when the full disclosure of any contract is to my liking, until then, piss off.
I told collection Agency ( Family Enforcement) that they do not have any authority to try and enforce a non enforceable court order, nice try, but nothing certified and no law produced means no contract.
Special appearance without joinder would be a good response to a notice of appearance from any private corp. I'm not into committing fraud. They have tried to take privileges away, but since I am the principal with POWER OF ATTORNEY over the strawman, they are stuck now. Yes Bell is also correct they may damage the credentials of the strawmans credit rating, but who cares, that is all they have.
I have made it clear to the private corps. WHO I AM, and I have also made it clear they do not have my consent in any of the matters they bring forward (false claims or obligations). I have remained as an honourable agent and have fulfilled the legal entities obligation, now back off or be held liable.
I have invoked the failure clauses in the private contracts with these corps., liability is on their part now. They don’t like it much, but too bad, EQUALILTY UNDER THE LAW IS MANDATORY.
I really like your post BELL, I agree 100% with it, and 100% on POINT. Wish more would stand up and take action, but the time will come. It is not in the best interest of the kids to have non custodial parents raped and left with nothing to give their children for their future, can’t figure that one out.
Peace

[cigs645]

Originally Posted by weasel

I haven't seen any topics on this, and i"m not familiar with the subject, so here goes.

Is there any means of adjusting or ending payments being made to an exwife?
This is not me, its a friend's situation. He's 10 years divorced. Do circumstances matter, like infidelity on her part, or his total custody of children?

Applying for Norwegian citizenship might work to. You may want to factor in, if applicable, legal costs. I had a friend who once spent 3 yrs fighting his X. At the end of the day he calculated he had spent more on attorneys while he ended up with pretty much the same offer that was on the table when it started. Tell your friend to do it himself if he can

[weasel]

doc, i've tried emailing those two over the past few weeks (nigh a month), and got nothing back. maybe that contact info is no longer good.

[Gannon White]

Originally Posted by bell

(Generally child support/family court is a money making exercise for the wife the attorneys and the court, saying wife is not chauvinistic, remember, Women, not men, are a Federally protected species and as such are protected in court, you as the male are not.)

That interests me, can you provide any reference? Women are federally protected? Hmmmmm.....

[Shoonra]

Don't treat alimony or child support obligations "like any other bill collector". Those obligations are the result of court orders, and welching on them can earn the deadbeat dad free room and board for contempt of court. The amusing thing about it is that, quite literally, "the key to his jail cell is in his own pocket". When he pays up he gets sprung.

The proper way (and I know lots of people on this forum spit on "the proper way") is to get the court order modified. Part of this depends on his circumstances and part on hers or the kids' and how these circumstances have changed. For example, if he's no longer earning as much, or she's earning a lot more or she's now shacking up with someone or the kid ran off and enlisted/married/joined the circus, that may justify a considerable change in the previous court order. A lawyer with experience in domestic relations law knows what to do.