I want claim of my children

[onesentient]

How does one go about claiming their child(ren)? So a child(ren) is/are no longer wards of the state? Is it possible to do?

[aksis]

Well, childern are not property, so no one can "claim" them...

[onesentient]

Oh gosh, so the material I've been reading about where a mother and/or father apply for a birth certificate the child is then registered with the state it was born in, therefore handing over legal title, issued a social security number, then mother and/or father are left with only 'use' of the child is not true? So the state the child was born in can not come into the home (or school) and take the child whenever they see fit? For no reason at all? That's lovely! I have no worries then that the state can not come into my home and take away my children for no reason at all, great!

[aksis]

Realize. Get real. Choose to align your mind with reality.

If you want to blather about how things work in the fiction that's fine... I do this quite a bit here as well.

Yet, I figured I could point out to you that the thought you expressed regarding,

making a "claim" to "your" child

is the same erronious thinking that people who kept other people as property used, as they justify the idea that it is ok to own another human being,

and then you could/would correct your own mental body and clear your state of mind enough to stand in, and with, a higher system of law.

You don't own your child, and no one else can, as this is a crime.

Do you see the hyprocracy, yet?

Besides, what "state" will you declare under the penalty of purjury that the child/children were really born in?

Didn't you create the problem by first, entertaining the idea that the fictinal state was real, and second, having your employees, that work for an orginization that you are a co-owner of, create a Birth Certificate for the child? (Granted, you probably had no real idea what a Birth Certificate was at the time.)

See, the "state of Nature" is a real place. It is tangable. You can see it, taste it, touch it, feel it, and smell it.

The various "Nation State's" are a legal fiction.

Kindly tell me how your child was born "in" this concoction of the egos of men, paper, ink and mutual agreement... and I will then tell you about the definition of psychosis and delienate upon the topic of group psychosis.

This is what you are dealing with... people suffering from a group psychosis. You may even be suffering from this group psychosis your self. Most people are.

You have asked about "claiming your child[ren]" and to me this is, in essence, slavery.

Children are not property, even if the People who claim to be government Officials (or We the People et al.) think and say this... and write "law" or books that accerts this.... you are doing this as well: you are all guilty of the same trespasses aginst the Soul of the child as far as I am concerned.

You will teach them this is ok, that it is ok to own people (thought, word, and deed)... they will think in terms of "My mom" "My Dad" "My brother" "My sister" "My girl friend" "My boy friend" "My wife" "My husband" "My child", etc... and the cycle will continue.

This possesive thinking leads to other ideas like this... and it is you, like most people I have met, who are teaching it to the children. Your thinking is the problem at the moment, not the "State" (what ever that really is).

How will the "State" do anything seeing as how it is not real?

Isn't the reality that People are the ones, or who may be the ones, that may or may not be doing these things?

You sound like one of "them" to me...

Prehaps if you cure your mental disorder, and quit missing the obvious, and start calling the government employees "People", and then name them in a sworn statement (affidavit/complaint) should these "mystery people" ever come and trespass upon your home and upon your right to protect and guide the children born by you (or your wife) you might have more success and ask better questions.

Prehaps you will just continue to make-believe and try to rewrite the fiction so that this can't happen...

I am not picking on you, I am addressing the root of the problem, the idea that you (or any one), can own children & that children are property...


Much love,

Christopher Theodore of the family of Rhodes


P.S.

You may think I am just being a smart ass...

What I really am is the one making an accusation that you are participating in enslaving people. I don't care if you like what I said or not, or even agree with it.

Usualy I observe people suffering their karma and don't say anything... I simply chose not to do it this time.

Instead, I choose to be blunt and address the root of the real problem... the minds of the People...

SEE, Before they were "government employees", they were children in care of People who taught them they were property - in thought, word, and deed... what did you expect them to grow up and treat other people like?

[onesentient]

aksis, yes you are correct, I did create the problem by applying for a birth certificate(s),
for I was led to believe it was an obligation, mandatory, law, etc. The staff at the hospital
did not inform me that it was not mandatory, obligated, or a law that I had to do so, that a
human being cannot be forced to apply for anything. I admit I was ignorant to these facts.
I admit I was ignorant to the wording in the material that it is misleading. Maybe/maybe not
this is what I brought into my reality (or perceived reality) to experience in my personal Uni-
verse (my mind). Maybe/maybe not I brought YOU into my reality (perceived reality) to
experience in my personal Universe (my mind). Maybe/maybe not this was a 'contract' that
I made with my Creator before I came into existense into this reality (or perceived reality). It
may/may not have been in this contract with my Creator to discover this information until
my higher-self instructed me to do so. I believe any and all experiences I bring into my
reality (or perceived reality) my personal Universe (my mind), is for my learning, and for my
path back to my Creator.

You stated that 'state of nature' is a 'real' place, therefore tangible. Who is to state that this
'reality' we human beings may/may not 'perceive' to be reality, through our five senses, is
'real'? Who is to state that this may/may not be all an illusion, a 'vertual reality' perceived
through the five senses? This 'reality' we call life here on earth may/may not be all an illusion
in our minds.

I understand what you are saying about the phrase 'claiming my children'. I do not have the
right to 'claim' another human being, but by the definition of 'claim' in a dictionary (who defines
the words in a dictionary by the way?) I do have the 'right to assert or maintain as a fact' (by
definition of 'claim' in a dictionary) that two- flesh and blood human beings were a part of, then
extracted from my flesh and blood in this reality (or perceived reality). I do not have the right
(claim) to order or command the two- human beings who were extracted from my flesh and
blood on how to think, what to do, how to behave, etc., but to furnish them with information to
be able to use their Creator given minds, to discover WHO they are.

aksis, speaking of rights (claims), who or what gives you the right (claim) to tell me that I
may be psychotic? Who or what gives you the right (claim) that I have a mental disorder
that I need to cure? I do not suffer, or never have, from dilusion, hallucination, schizophrenia,
or paranoia. By what authority do you claim I do? You stated that I needed to 'ask better
questions', do these questions here fit your criteria of 'better questions'?

You may think I am being a smart ass...but....what I am is a living, breathing, spiritual being
on a spiritual path leading back to the One Infinite Creator (my opinion in my mind). aksis, I
don't care if you like what I said or not, or even agree with it, but from one spiritual being to
another (and correct me if I'm wrong in assuming that you are), we are all on some form of
path, be it right or wrong.

For the rest of you readers, bringing my beliefs into this thread was not intentional, but un-
avoidable, so please forgive me for I can not apologize for doing so. In the future I will direct
my spiritual beliefs in the correct thread.

[aksis]

Look, I was not trying to be mean. I know I was nitpicking your words... it's simply what I felt to do.

See, I find that working from a causal plane rather then from the plane of effects gets at the root of the problems.

Thought preceeds manifestation.

Change the thinking, and the manifestation changes.

If we realize that we created many of our problem[s], and how we did it, we can correct the problem[s].

I have no power to change your mind. Only you do. I can only share some of my thoughts on the topic.

Which is: I want claim of my children

Prehaps this is not what you really want...

Originally Posted by onesentient

You stated that 'state of nature' is a 'real' place, therefore tangible.

This is not what I said.

I said:

"See, the "state of Nature" is a real place. It is tangable. You can see it, taste it, touch it, feel it, and smell it."

And I had implied that the various "Nation States" are not real... there is no "bubble" and there are no "lines", in reality... they only exist in the imagination of people.

Well, if you want to cut to the quick, they do exist, but only in the imagination. Imagination occures in the ego of ones mind.

People imagining things is not inherently a harmful activity.

People imagin something and then create it, and it is good. For example, someone may imagin a building, and draw the blue prints, and then someone can build the building according to the specs.

Not everything that can be imagined, and drawn with ink on paper can be manifested beyond the paper and ink:

See, some things that can be imagined, for example, the "state", yet will never manifest outside of the minds of people and the paper and ink that that which is imagined is described upon... because it can't.

Yet, people who choose to believe the fiction is real, will act accordingly.

Lacking the ability to determin reality from fiction, or truth from illusion, is a type of psychosis.

Not everyone suffering from various kinds of psychosises are going to be a problem for others, it is when their psychosis justifies that they have some right to harm people, for example, that problems arise.

Originally Posted by onesentient

Who is to state that this
'reality' we human beings may/may not 'perceive' to be reality, through our five senses, is
'real'?

The one making the statements.

Originally Posted by onesentient

Who is to state that this may/may not be all an illusion, a 'vertual reality' perceived
through the five senses?

The one hearing/reading the statements.

Originally Posted by onesentient

This 'reality' we call life here on earth may/may not be all an illusion in our minds.

Oh... I know it is very real, that people make-believe and pretend that they live in "bubbles" that they call "states" and "Nation States" etc.., and I know this because they have described them very clearly with spoken and written words on paper with ink and in "other ways".

They have also describe very clearly, in like manner, how they imagin life works and how people are to be forced to live inside these imaginary "bubbles".

Sometimes they even kill people over this particular psychosis... and these people are really dead.

Sometimes they keep them in cages, and these people are really in these cages.

Not all their actions are based on things they imagining are real... there is a valid use for a court, a jail, etc.. and the people providing these services.

I persist, simply, that what they are presenting as "reality" (i.e. "We are in the United States" and like dulisinal statements), only exists in their imagination...

There is no "bubble"... *pop*

No one is denying that Earth is in the Universe,
No one is denying that we are on Earth (except prehaps someone on a space shuttle or the space station[s]),
and No one is denying that there is a 'point' where the atmosphere/exosphere of Earth ceases to exist, and beyond that 'point', you are no longer in the "state of Nature" of Earth.

I am not denying there is are groups of people living on Earth calling them selves Californians, or US citizens, or Russians, or Britians, or Chinese, etc..

You can prove all this, beyond a shadow of any doubt, with tangable evidence, to everyone of sound mind.

aksis, speaking of rights (claims), who or what gives you the right (claim) to tell me that I
may be psychotic? Who or what gives you the right (claim) that I have a mental disorder that I need to cure?

Do you really cares?

Prehaps you did... when you ask anyone who might be reading your post to assist you in "claiming your children".

What do you really want?

Do you have the words to describe it clearly at this moment?

Get clear on what you really want, and then ask how to get it, and you may recieve answers that will assist you in doing this...

I do not suffer, or never have, from dilusion, hallucination, schizophrenia,
or paranoia. By what authority do you claim I do?

Well, we could split hairs and I would agree, seeing as how you are the Soul, yet I see your mind may have some:

Delusion \De*lu"sion\n. [L. delusio, fr. deludere. See
{Delude}.]
1. The act of deluding; deception; a misleading of the mind.
--Pope.
[1913 Webster]

2. The state of being deluded or misled.
[1913 Webster]

3. That which is falsely or delusively believed or
propagated; false belief; error in belief.
[1913 Webster]

for I was led to believe it was an obligation, mandatory, law, etc. The staff at the hospital did not inform me that it was not mandatory, obligated, or a law that I had to do so, that a
human being cannot be forced to apply for anything. I admit I was ignorant to these facts.
I admit I was ignorant to the wording in the material that it is misleading.

From my point of view, you have simply been decived about some things, like everyone else... including me...

I was not attacking you. I was pointing out what you already know it the truth... and you admited to it.

As we cure mental disorder, we find remedy.

And you have corrected/changed your thinking in some areas. You are curing your mind. Thought, Word, deed. This is the process.

Mental disorders are something most people have to varing degrees.

In fact, anyone who has ever been confused was suffering from a mental disorder. Once they clear up the confusion, that particular mental disorder is cured.

Correct me if I am wrong.

You stated that I needed to 'ask better
questions', do these questions here fit your criteria of 'better questions'?

Are you getting the answers you need yet?

Prehaps if you mind was clearer on the problem and/or what you want, you would see the solution[s]. Prehaps there is no problem. For example, shoonra seems to enjoy being subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, so she remains subject.

On the other hand, other people would rather chose to live in the bubble called "Claifornia" and claim to be a Californian.

May they find peace, love and happiness.

I find that I can not be happy knowingly living in an imaginary state or under the rule of men. So I choose not to.


Anyways... I have some questions..

Did you correct the records regarding your Character yet?

If you affirm and declare you are "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States", who are you to blame people for trearting you like you are when this is what you tell them?

How did you correct your records?

Do you think you can apply this same process you used, correcting the records regarding the nature of your Character to the records regarding the nature of the Character of the children you are guiding and guarding?

I feel like asking you this as well... how are you going to guide the children in dealing with the de facto system once you change their records?

Here is a letter (attached) I read that someone wrote, you may find it of value.


Much love,

Christopher Theodore of the family of Rhodes


P.S.

I presumed this was sarchasim (this is how it felt), and then responded accordingly:

Oh gosh, so the material I've been reading about where a mother and/or father apply for a birth certificate the child is then registered with the state it was born in, therefore handing over legal title, issued a social security number, then mother and/or father are left with only 'use' of the child is not true? So the state the child was born in can not come into the home (or school) and take the child whenever they see fit? For no reason at all? That's lovely! I have no worries then that the state can not come into my home and take away my children for no reason at all, great!

Kindly correct me if I was wrong.


P.P.S.

[quote]You may think I am being a smart ass...

I don't, I think you were a little miffed at me for expressing what I did...

but....what I am is a living, breathing, spiritual being on a spiritual path leading back to the One Infinite Creator (my opinion in my mind).

So on!