children services steals infant with no birth certificate

[PANICPASS]

because she had a positive drug test that was performed without her knowledge,

Another thing you need to find out is WHO took the drug test. There has to be trail you can follow to find out WHO administered the test-- A NAME of a hospital employee. You also need a copy of the document with the mother's signature authorizing the test. Even if you think they don't have it you still need to DEMAND to see it.

If they are telling you that you need to jump through this hoop and that hoop in order to get your child back--- THAT IS B.S. Who in he** are they to tell you what to do?? You need the turn the tables and start telling them what to do or you will file criminal charges against each and everyone of them.

The whole thing sounds like they are operating a child smuggling ring out of the hospital.


You should write the hospital and request a copy of the mother's medical records. You want ALL the records the hospital has for the mother. I would bet the drug test will not be in there. If it is not then the child services has no basis to keep the child and you would be justified to file kidnapping charges against the head of children services and/or hospital administrator.

[onesentient]

This may be a silly question, but, how old is the mother of the baby? and how old is the father of the baby?

[free*to*be*me]

Here is an update: I'm sorry I haven't answered everyone individually, this case has turned into a circus, we have been trying to do an asservation (birth record) but the hospital where the baby was born is delaying the records for baby and mom, so what we have to focus on is the moms court dates, with juvenile court, until we get the information for the asservation and it might not happen before the dates set by the court, we have located the baby, he was placed 15 miles from the parents home, we have kept this amongst ourselves, it is taking all we have to stop us from taking the baby from the foster parents. We are trying to find a resolution to help us claim the baby from the foster parents without being charged with kiddnapping from children services.

At this point mom has a mediation on nov. 6 & a adjudicatory hearing on nov. 8. we have picked the court papers apart and see the caseworker filed an affidavit in support of the issuance for emergency telephone order, along with the verified complaint for temporary custody, the mom has no attorney at this time and doesn't trust them anyway, so we are thinking the affidavit has to be answered before its too late, another development is, the mom submited to a hair drug test, and the results for cocaine came back negative, it was tested 30 days back, which covered the time span the hospital claims their tests were positive, now, she has demanded the baby back by communicating by phone, the supervisor of children services has told mom its out of there hands and the court holds custody of the child, but yet the court papers claim that children services has temp. custody, so at this time we are stumped as to what step we should take, except to bring the public into this and tell everyone including the media what this county has done to a mother and baby to keep them apart, we have been flooding the children services with phone calls from everyone that we can and the next step would be to bring the media into it, sort of like power in numbers, any other suggestions would be appreciated.

The mom and dads age is late 20s to early 30s.

This blood-sucking lowlife entity called children services, has to be stopped one way or another, they have caused the mom to have a nervous breakdown today, and they have to pay for their actions.

We have thought about rebutting the affidavit from the caseworker and recording them both with the county then submitting them to the court, this would put this case into the public, but not sure if this can be done because of this being juvenile division court, ANY COMMENTS???

[PANICPASS]

I did a google search for 'verified complaint for temporary custody' and found this case:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=2&gl=us

[free*to*be*me]

Thanks panicpass, this case is from non other than our county, and the same legal counsel that prosecuted that case is who we are up against, but she is not going to win this one, then when its over and we have baby in hand their all getting hit with affidavits and going to be put into bankruptcy for the rest of their living lives, its going to be "lifes a bitch time" for the lot of them.

I didn't think juvenile cases where made public. Guess I was wrong.

[widdlewiddle]

don't shoot the messenger but i have bad news...

When U.S. doctors deliver children from the womb they are required to create a document known as a: Record of Live Birth.
Is it given to you? No.
You’re given a: Birth Certificate.
So what happens to the Record of Live Birth?
It’s sent to the, “BUREAU OF VITAL STATISTICS”.
And what is that?
It is a subdepartment of the “DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE”.
And, what is the, “DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE”.
It is where the U.S. keeps track of its possessions.
This evidence indicated that the state is declaring the children as their possession at birth.
Evidence #3 --- New statutes require hospitals to assign Social Security Numbers to each child before birth, or without the natural parents signature or permission.

so even if you do not get a birth certificate and do not apply for a social security number...if a u.s. doctor delivers your baby then your child is a possession of the state. i don't know what to tell you to do in this situation... if you had stayed home and had the child and it died then you would have been implicated for first degree murder unless they could prove that it died of natural causes. the only way to avoid all this legal mess is to not go to the hospital until after the baby is delivered if there is a complication or be able to solve any complications yourself...it would help to research what to do when complications arise. for instance...if the baby is born breech you can still birth it at home and vaginally. if you look it up online then you will find that all you have to do is stand while delivering and deliver slowly. as for hemorraging...you have an hour that you can hemorrage and so you have time to deliver before going to the hospital...also it has been said that women only hemorrage from episiotomy or cesearean section or if the cord is pulled causing the placenta to only partially separate so patience is key. seeing as how your baby was 1 month premature i really don't know what could have been done differently. also i would really like to know what i should do if this happens to me. because without your permission, the baby has become property of the state simply because you used the benefits of hospital and doctor during a time of emergency and duress. there has to be some recourse of action to reverse the child being entered into the "matrix" because if you don't have a marriage license then you didn't give permission and also with a birth certificate you did not give permission and yet the doctor was able to somehow give permission through this live record of birth... what can be done? does anyone know? are we to stay home and deliver unassisted even at the risk of death due to prematurity just because of the government's ownership of our doctor's? even if we saw a laydoctor he or she could get sued for malpractice without a license if the baby died. there has to be some loophole here.

my sympathies,
widdlewiddle

[widdlewiddle]

http://www.famguardian.org/

http://thewomenwarriors.com/phpbb2/v...86d6b0cebef210

"Today, almost all mothers, black or white, unknowingly inform on their own babies. Take a look at the so-called "Birth Certificate" CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH where the mother signs and you will see the title of the box stating in small print: "MOTHER OR OTHER INFORMANT". The word "OTHER" makes the mother "an informant." By signing the "Birth Certificate" as an informer, she contracts with the government putting her child and her child's future labor as collateral for the national debt (servitude--slavery). The father or mother can rescind the contract within three business days (Truth-in-Lending).

Since the Birth Certificate neither lists the father as the husband nor lists the wife's acceptance of the father’s surname as her own but has the mother’s maiden name instead, the baby is considered a BASTARD. Bastards are therefore under the care and control of the Priest Rule (democracy) and can be taken from the mother at any time.

The hospitals receive a fairly large monetary benefit ($3,000, more or less, per child) from the corporate government for having Birth Certificates filled out and signed."

so as you can see...the hospitals have money as a motive for treating you this way. "Money is the root of all evil"

[FreeFromContract]

Originally Posted by widdlewiddle

http://www.famguardian.org/

http://thewomenwarriors.com/phpbb2/v...86d6b0cebef210

"Today, almost all mothers, black or white, unknowingly inform on their own babies. Take a look at the so-called "Birth Certificate" CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH where the mother signs and you will see the title of the box stating in small print: "MOTHER OR OTHER INFORMANT". The word "OTHER" makes the mother "an informant." By signing the "Birth Certificate" as an informer, she contracts with the government putting her child and her child's future labor as collateral for the national debt (servitude--slavery). The father or mother can rescind the contract within three business days (Truth-in-Lending).

Since the Birth Certificate neither lists the father as the husband nor lists the wife's acceptance of the father’s surname as her own but has the mother’s maiden name instead, the baby is considered a BASTARD. Bastards are therefore under the care and control of the Priest Rule (democracy) and can be taken from the mother at any time.

The hospitals receive a fairly large monetary benefit ($3,000, more or less, per child) from the corporate government for having Birth Certificates filled out and signed."

so as you can see...the hospitals have money as a motive for treating you this way. "Money is the root of all evil"

A question for those who support "the system": does this in any way disgust you? Is this one of the signatures of achievement of this so called "civil society"?

This is nothing less than vile and reprehensible action by the state.

"Love of money is the root of all evil"...point well made.

[FreeFromContract]

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[widdlewiddle]

Any person attending a live birth must fill out a Certificate of Live Birth (see form at right) that is filed with the Bureau of Vital Statistics. If the form is not filled out completely, it will be returned immediately to the noncompliant attendee who will be liable for a $250 fine. Fifty dollars per day will be added to the penalty until the form is returned in a manner that is satisfactory to the state.

Refusal to comply could mean a loss of state licensing, loss of insurance and the possibility of serving time in jail.

http://thewomenwarriors.com/phpbb2/v...86d6b0cebef210