children services steals infant with no birth certificate

[Lawdog]

Originally Posted by widdlewiddle

don't shoot the messenger but i have bad news...

When U.S. doctors deliver children from the womb they are required to create a document known as a: Record of Live Birth.
Is it given to you? No.
You’re given a: Birth Certificate.
So what happens to the Record of Live Birth?
It’s sent to the, “BUREAU OF VITAL STATISTICS”.
And what is that?
It is a subdepartment of the “DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE”.
And, what is the, “DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE”.
It is where the U.S. keeps track of its possessions.
This evidence indicated that the state is declaring the children as their possession at birth.

Balderdash.

There's this little thing called the 13th Amendment, which was ratified right after the Civil War, that says, "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Since then, it has been impossible for human beings to be possessions.

[FreeFromContract]

Originally Posted by Lawdog

There's this little thing called the 13th Amendment, which was ratified right after the Civil War, that says, "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Since then, it has been impossible for human beings to be possessions.

But voluntary servitude is OK, so long as it has the appearance of being voluntary.

[mrg]

Originally Posted by Lawdog

Balderdash.

There's this little thing called the 13th Amendment, which was ratified right after the Civil War, that says, "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Since then, it has been impossible for human beings to be possessions.

Did you note any exceptions to the so called "abolition" of slavery, and the introduction of the term "involuntary servitude?"

What is the relationship of the term "involuntary servitude" to "slavery?"

Are they the same?

If so, why are they both used?

Is extranneous verbiage redundantly used in the writing of laws?

In looking at the term "involuntary servitude" the term "voluntary servitude" would never enter your mind?

What is meant by "The United States" in your so-called "amendment?"

Why does it say "subject to their jurisdiction?

Does its "companion" your so called 14th "amendment" say ""subject to their jurisdiction, in relation to the United States?

What would be the distinction, and why that particular distinction?

What does G.I. stand for?

Does it apply to equipment?

Does it apply to men and women?

Is there any distinction?

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by Lawdog

Balderdash.

There's this little thing called the 13th Amendment, which was ratified right after the Civil War, that says, "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Since then, it has been impossible for human beings to be possessions.

The crime is being part of the insurgent 14th Amendment "U.S. Citizen" body politic which supplanted the original dejure bodIES politic of state citizens via the constitutionally repugnant Reconstruction Acts.

By participating (voting) you consent to a body politic installed by martial law powers repugnant to the Constitution

Therefore you are in rebellion and are "duly convicted" by silent judicial notice

Find me some case law in the ANNOTATED 13th Amndmt on what "duly convicted" means - Yeah Right !

[free*to*be*me]

Hi all, here is an update on events with this post, children services still has temp. custody of the baby and mom gets to see him for 2 hours a week, the courts and children services has pressured mom to no end, so she has buckled to their demands to get the baby back, the courts have threatend mom with contempt of court if she didn't apply for the berth cert. so she has agreed to do so, they will not give into any of her demands, and she just wants the baby back at this point, she has accepted an atorn from them to help ruin things more, but they know procedure, so far dad has stayed out of the picture as far as legal standing, so we can hit them at a different angle soon and to keep him out of the contracting with the enemy part with them, we are waiting for the baby to get placed with the moms parents so we know he's safe.

This is what I have discovered with our so called juvenile judge, he doesn't have a certificate of oath filed, and I am going to attack him in this way, I am so disgusted with the way these courts are run, they want us to follow their rules but yet they don't think they have to, well thats about to change here in this county.

I know a lot of you suggested default judgments and other means but if we do anything to jeopardize getting the baby from their clutches, we might never see him again, after all they are the only ones that can legally steel babies and get away with it.

So lets just see how the man in the black robe feels about having a vacant office and uprooting his life....

[gldskr]

free*to*be*me

As has been previously stated, possession is nine tenths of the law. So what's important is that you gain possession.

My advice would be to acceed to their demands. As with outlaws of the past and mafioso types, the family is where they will strike. Emotions run high when close family members are involved. They didn't just think this up yesterday.

Save your energy for future battles that matter. Give them the name and number they so desperately need to float the bond. Its all bogus anyway,right? The house of cards is all around to those who care to look, its only a matter of time.

Complete whatever program is required to get your kid back. They really don't want your kid, they just want the financing to support the kid. That means you have to do your part to get possession, and then they'll go after the dad. That's what they really want, but that's another story.

Forget about revenge, the system, the judge, defaults; you've got a child to raise, concentrate on that.

gldskr

[free*to*be*me]

Originally Posted by gldskr

free*to*be*me

As has been previously stated, possession is nine tenths of the law. So what's important is that you gain possession.

My advice would be to acceed to their demands. As with outlaws of the past and mafioso types, the family is where they will strike. Emotions run high when close family members are involved. They didn't just think this up yesterday.

Save your energy for future battles that matter. Give them the name and number they so desperately need to float the bond. Its all bogus anyway,right? The house of cards is all around to those who care to look, its only a matter of time.

Complete whatever program is required to get your kid back. They really don't want your kid, they just want the financing to support the kid. That means you have to do your part to get possession, and then they'll go after the dad. That's what they really want, but that's another story.

Forget about revenge, the system, the judge, defaults; you've got a child to raise, concentrate on that.

gldskr

Thanks gldskr, the goal is to get the baby out of their clutches, you are so right about possession being 9/10 of the law, with everyday brings a learning experience in their world, but it comes to a point of not revenge but putting things back into perspective, as I sat in the waiting room for the mom to exit court I seen the most horrible events between parents and children that the system has caused by interferring with family values, that I promised myself I would do something to try and correct this lousy system in our county, and I thought, where would be a starting point? who else but the man in the black robe.

Dad has avoided contracting with them thus far, and we plan on keeping it that way for now, but he knows it is unavoidable for much longer, so our defense is going to be, go away and leave him alone or face the challange.
See if everyone just lets the system eat them up their would be know one left for them to feed on, accept the next generation, and it would only get worse. If our ancestors would have stood up to their rights the world would be a better place to live in, with more and more waking up to the truth, I think we can make a difference one step at a time, one day at a time.

Live free its your God given right!!!!!!!!
free to be me

[gldskr]

free*to*be*me

Perspective, yes that is the key.

Originally posted by free*to*be*me

...I promised myself I would do something to try and correct this lousy system in our county, and I thought, where would be a starting point? who else but the man in the black robe.

Let this thought slide for a month or two and you might get a new perspective. Choose your battles carefully.

Originally posted by free*to*be*me
If our ancestors would have stood up to their rights the world would be a better place to live in, with more and more waking up to the truth, I think we can make a difference one step at a time, one day at a time.

True and false, don't blame your ancestors, they had the right to be ignorant just as we do. We have the obligation to learn from their mistakes. The torch has been passed, it is our burden now.

gldskr

[weishaupt1776]

You could go along, play their game, but then refuse the docs for legal cause. Make sure you attach relevant laws and docs which would scare the pants off of those suckers regarding the fraud

[Cursed in Vain]

Greetings free*to*be*me,

Just a few thoughts.

I think the advice of gldskr should be heeded.

Also, the advice from PanicPass is of much interest as well, but you may want to pursue this after the child is recovered.

I don't recall if mother and father are married by the state, and if they are then this would explain the state taking its "property," the baby (so it thinks - in reality God owns the child).

As for the hospital, widdlewiddle posted some info from Eric Madsen the Mormonist, which is beneficial, and Eric also states that many hospitals are registered with "Corp. U.S." as "Ports of Entry," so this may also explain the abduction.