family court..

[xlion]

I’ve received a summons to appear in child support court and I needed some help. I was going to claim that the case against me is fraud and that I will not and cannot consent to letting the so-called judge adjcate an order of support and if the court didn’t care about my claim of fraud, the court would be forcing me into coercion. I was wondering if I had to or should i revoke my signature from the admittance of paternity and get my name taken off my son’s birth certificate before I appeared in court?? or would my claim of fraud and me not letting the court adjcate an order be enough??? Which way should I go???

[Notorial dissent]

You might do something sensible like getting a good lawyer and then practice keeping your mouth shut and listening to what you are told, but that doesn’t seem likely given the evidence at hand.

You’ve been summoned to a child support hearing, and that is the only thing that is going to be heard at that hearing, and at the rate you are going, the only one who will be heard is the other party, which means you will really lose big. Understand this, and understand it big time, you don’t get to consent to anything at this point. You’ve been ordered to appear, and if you don’t they will just find in your absence. Yes, the court will be forcing you, that is what these types of hearings are all about, somebody gets forced to do something they don't want to do. The court will listen to what is presented, then render a decision, and if you don’t abide to it, at the very least you will end up in jail on contempt charges.

And, guess what??? You don’t get to revoke your signature from a birth certificate or anything else. If there is a change to be made to the birth certificate, it will be made under court order and only under court order. If you have a fraud charge to make, you will have to begin a separate legal action, and win it to have any effect on the support action now in process, and you’ve already wasted so much time as it is.

Basically you are going to a gun fight with a butter knife, and are going to get your head handed back to you on a platter if you don't wise up.

[Lawdog]

Notorial dissent:

Well said. When are the knuckleheads going to learn that consent is not required before someone can be sued? If it were, every competent defendant's lawyer would submit a sworn affidavit from his client saying he never consented to being sued, and the case would be over.

The idea that you have to consent to be prosecuted over a criminal offense is even more bizarre.

[MARK MORGAN]

If that is the case, then why can't the United States be sued without its consent?

Originally Posted by Lawdog

Notorial dissent:

Well said. When are the knuckleheads going to learn that consent is not required before someone can be sued? If it were, every competent defendant's lawyer would submit a sworn affidavit from his client saying he never consented to being sued, and the case would be over.

The idea that you have to consent to be prosecuted over a criminal offense is even more bizarre.

[Mark]

Originally Posted by MARK MORGAN

If that is the case, then why can't the United States be sued without its consent?

Because too many persons (actually people, but they are too ignorant, or brainwashed to know the difference) like Shoonra, Lawdog and the like; worship this beast called the UNITED STATES. Seeing it as all powerful, and therefore untouchable.

“How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.”~ Adolf Hitler.“
And how unfortunate for the rest of us--DOH!!



Peace

[ezrhythm]

New readers should note that posts #2 and #3 in this thread are all about enticing you to do what the main stream sheeple do and nothing to do about being sui juris.

Carry on, continue to seek remedy and be blessed!

[Druwdeadeng]

Originally Posted by MARK MORGAN

If that is the case, then why can't the United States be sued without its consent?

The doctrine of sovereign immunity goes back a long, long way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity

[Druwdeadeng]

I'm an attorney, as I've mentioned before, and I try to be respectful to the members of this board. Please take this question in the spirit in which it is intended (which is legitimately me seeking information).

Have any of you who have gone to court to argue your positions on the myriad of issues raised here retained the services of a court reporter to take a transcript of the proceedings?

If so, do you have transcripts available that I can review to see what/how you're arguing the points you're arguing? Sometimes the nature of a message board doesn't really provide the best way of organizing a train of thought, and seeing how "the rubber meets the road" with your arguments in front of a judge would likely be quite interesting to read.

If you have them available, and don't mind posting them somewhere, I'd genuinely be interested to review them.

[MARK MORGAN]

Originally Posted by Druwdeadeng

The doctrine of sovereign immunity goes back a long, long way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity

Yes, thank you for the link. My limited understanding of this site is this, to attempt at lawfully taking back what is already lawfully ours; ie: sovereignity. Please correct me if I am wrong. And all other threads are basically offshoots of such ideas as a means to an end.

Originally Posted by Druwdeadeng

I'm an attorney, as I've mentioned before, and I try to be respectful to the members of this board. Please take this question in the spirit in which it is intended (which is legitimately me seeking information).

Have any of you who have gone to court to argue your positions on the myriad of issues raised here retained the services of a court reporter to take a transcript of the proceedings?


If so, do you have transcripts available that I can review to see what/how you're arguing the points you're arguing? Sometimes the nature of a message board doesn't really provide the best way of organizing a train of thought, and seeing how "the rubber meets the road" with your arguments in front of a judge would likely be quite interesting to read.

If you have them available, and don't mind posting them somewhere, I'd genuinely be interested to review them.

Druwdeadeng,
I am not yet in a position to address this post other than R4C'ing my sons citation from school peace officer(if this was actually in any way directed to me)
which prompted the "court" to immediately file a proper summons and complaint.

Apologies to Xlion for hijack of thread.

[xlion]

I was looking for information from sovereigns, not the loyal income tax and parking ticket paying enslaved so-called Americans. To those of you who are hiding from your credit card collection agents. Remember everything about this system and how this system operates is and based on fraud. As sovereigns we operate in truth and only truth. I’m a police officer and I love my son, I’m not and cannot work to pay for his mother’s mink coats and flat screen TV’s. So I have to do this in a way, as not to alarm to many people, remember “be as wise as serpents but as harmless as doves” So to those of you, who will never have the guts to open your eyes, keep in mind that all law is contract, it is a timeless and universal maxim of law: “Contract makes the law”